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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Stein so Don Ecker returns

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once again as our guest co-host welcome

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back to help with fun and excitement

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absolutely all we know you are and last

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week we really had a fabulous show where

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Reverend dr. Barry downing joined us and

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he presented an interesting combination

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of religious figure Minister and

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scientist which is actually quite an

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unusual combination gene indeed it is

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and because you have the situation here

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whether sometimes there's a disconnect

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and perspectives between the person who

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is dealing with one's religion and the

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person who's dealing with science even

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though you hope they kind of work

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together in the end sometimes or quite

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often there are differences and among

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the people interested in ancient

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astronauts the Reverend is very unusual

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in that way and that's why our

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discussion was quite unusual

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today we welcome someone you must

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remember from the forum's Ben moss and

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he's been talking a lot about the work

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of race Stanford also about Saqqara New

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Mexico Tony if you work with Ben on both

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those things

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Tony angioma by the way that's right ya

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know we do a lot of work together on UFO

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cases so we've been working with ray for

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years now how did you first encounter

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race Stanford it was interesting I'm

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actually he reached out to us through

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gen Mars an MUFON because of an article

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that Ben and I put together as we were

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searching for some lost sapporo footage

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and so basically gen juarez and put us

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together since ray wasn't inquiring

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about that so what was the end result

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what did you get well I'm gonna pick it

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up on one it was funny because we were

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looking for this footage and we ran into

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he was working always maybe 7:01 which

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is now another name but he talked about

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the core and I thought he's gonna share

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this footage that scene so we look at

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this footage which was on the TV shows

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sightings and found it and it's you know

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it was really hard to find that it was a

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cover story at the Buffon journal if you

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ever follow up but we found it and then

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we were put in touch with Ray and I knew

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Ray was the investigator on the case

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invited by Heineken 64 but didn't know

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much else about him and then we just got

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brought into the world of Ray which has

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been an interesting very eye-opening

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experience because ray you know

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fascinating man if you could fall for

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the rabbit hole perfectly that's what's

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happened with Ray because when we first

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met him you really weren't sure what to

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make of him until we saw his house and

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all the discoveries and paleontological

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adventures that he's had and now he is

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actually you know with Goddard

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displaying this greatest discovery which

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is a whole nother ball of wax but he has

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he's a man of many talents of course our

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listeners have heard ray Stanford a

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number of times on the show and he's

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always a fascinating guest somebody who

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can be a little unpredictable sometimes

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you know he makes sure that you

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understand what his position is on an

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issue I think the thing that we all hope

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here is that eventually he's gonna find

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a way to just present his information to

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the general public and not just a

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specifically selected group well that's

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been the main problem for many years and

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why Ray has many critics because this

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information that he's been withholding

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now people like Chris O'Brien have seen

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it and has stated the amazing nature of

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it but very few others I've never truly

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understood gene why he's withholding it

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all the data for some time now and we

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feel like the privileged few and it's

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challenging to explain even over the

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radio how amazing it is and it's

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unfortunate we just can't bring everyone

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inches there's a living room to see the

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same the same thing we're saying

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but I think eventually won't man what do

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you think it's one of those things where

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it's Ray's decision it's Ray's material

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you know it's it's all up to rake for

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that but you know we're good friends

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with Chris O'Brien you know we've seen

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the same thing he's seen and well it's

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just without going into much detail it I

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would really like to see it out the

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public because it is it's far beyond any

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of these videos that that didn't really

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come from the Pentagon recently but you

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know it's just something that if it

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comes out and comes out of my it's a

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it's a shame that's the way I look at I

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hope of course eventually that we are

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gonna see it and I don't have an

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opportunity to go to the Washington DC

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area to look them up that would be fun

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if we can do something like that

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but why did I ask you gentlemen what can

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you tell us about race Stanford that

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podcast maybe do not realize well the

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first thing I would say is don't believe

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all that you see on the internet being

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I guess career and social media with you

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know his his pundits if you will of

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people that just you know Charles

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yeah like trolls pretty much ray the

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reason he has such a select few people

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chosen to look at his data because I

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guess he doesn't suffer fools for one

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and secondly he wants to speak to people

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who he thinks will understand what he's

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gonna show him I don't know why he

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thought we were in that category

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physicists and scientists and you know

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they have seen if you can't think but

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you know it's just the thing that I

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would add to that about Ray is he's a

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very intelligent guy he speaks four or

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five languages he has these great

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stories about everybody in the field

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we've heard stories about Dan for I feel

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class his we found his episode of this

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this was hard but we found his episode

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when he was on the Phil Donahue show

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when we thought we're trying to figure

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out if Hynek stole a rock that he

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unusual rock but it

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with him it's a very interesting story

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so it's one of those things where was

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you really do get no read you realize

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he's a very intelligent Renaissance like

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guy and you know it's discovery garden

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which is all over all the national

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mythos is an example of how observant he

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is and if you take those skills and

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observant of observance E and then apply

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it to UFO research and the fact that he

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seems to know when to be in the right

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place at the right time to see this

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stuff then you can understand from the

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discoveries is made by looking down that

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he was just a debt that is looking up

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now obviously the major case that puts

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him on the map is Socorro New Mexico he

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was you know one of the chief civilian

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investigators of that case then you told

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me before we started guys that you were

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working on this for the past what four

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now as you know Kevin D Randall wrote a

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book on Socorro where he took kind of a

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spirit of what he did with Roswell in

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the 21st century where he took Roswell

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reconsidered so in looking at saqqara is

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different than what might have been

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well Kevin we were on Kevin's show and I

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mentioned that Sakura was a multiple

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witness case and he didn't know that and

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that's what caused him to write the book

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I think he gave us some kudos in his

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book but we shared a lot of our data

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talked about it being a hoax

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there's just yes we've been besties in

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this case it's route it's easier to

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to prove a hoax because there's just too

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many parts to it that don't add up if

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there's just no way I would try to if it

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there's just too much evidence in this

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case especially from Ray's work and then

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stuff that we've seen recently that

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caused me to believe that it happened

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exactly as lines to more describe we

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have a lot more to come we're going to

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talk about their reinvestigation of

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Saqqara New Mexico correcting the myths

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about that Toni Angela Ben moss our

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Ben and Tony I guess I've been friends

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with Tracy Torme for over 25 years and

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he of course was the co-producer along

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with James Fox on their film project 701

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now one of the things that I spoke with

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Torme the last time I talked to him

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before he became ill and hopefully Tracy

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is on the men now but he was extremely

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interested in the Socorro case and had

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done a lot of research on that and what

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I wanted to ask you do you guys were you

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aware of that do you know Torme and how

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does that figure in with with the raise

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research into this case to begin with we

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met both of them him and James Fox in

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New Jersey the symposium for MUFON and

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we know that

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James was going to put a Sakura piece in

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his movie and I think it's about 20

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minutes of the movie it's a pretty good

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significant because of the significance

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of the case James is probably going to

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say the same thing that we'll say about

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the symbol but as time you can fill in

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where a takes meticulous notes I was an

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investigation see he drew the symbol at

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the time it's described what's variants

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it was at all the recordings of when

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they talked about the symbol the Hynek

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in twos Lonnie and the Hynek does

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describe it as an inverted V whereas

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Lonnie says I can't talk about it and he

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says that right after he talked to the

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FBI but Tony could fill in more yeah

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well the one thing that made us get

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really excited about the symbol because

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for the love for the longest time we

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didn't care about the symbol we cared

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about was that something amazing

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happened and it's undeniable but there

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was so much contention behind the symbol

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and in my opinion still it's not that

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important but ray drew the symbol

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exactly how Lonnie described it to him

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and that's the inverted being with a

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three three bars through it and he made

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two variations both of which are look

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nothing like the advertised you know

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umbrella with the arrow and all that

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stuff that Lonnie signed it's not

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something that Lonnie would do being we

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find a police officer person that he was

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but he did it for this country is what

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it is and the reason was that the FBI

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was trying to see her any hoaxers of

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people calling and saying if they saw

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the same thing if thing I just brought

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anybody the three bars through it they

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would know that it was legitimate the

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fact that so much time has gone by and

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did call from my cap was saying that it

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was the advertised you know symbol of

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many people were believing that but the

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fact is is that Lonnie described it as

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an inverted V with three bars through it

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in Spanish to Martinez the dispatcher on

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the radio and that's what he describes

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right so and if I could raid Roux it at

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the time that one described it in his

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notebook there's no question about it in

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my mind but the other thing is that

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Lonnie was as close as 35 to 38 feet

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from the craft he had a really good look

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at what was like a 2 to 3 feet tall yes

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2 to 3 people you're gonna see that

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Wednesday

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glasses on the only time he mentions

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losing his glasses it's after the crash

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lifts off the ground and thought it was

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gonna explode and he laid prone on the

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ground and he ran you know by his car

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and he hit his leg his glasses fell off

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but we can get into that stuff later did

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anybody have any idea what those symbols

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may have represented did race Stanford

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have any idea or anybody else you talked

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to about that even speculation well I

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remember googling the heck out of it

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trying to find any symbol like that

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anywhere in the literature or on UFOs or

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in symbology or whatever this is an

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alchemy symbol that's close to it but I

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told ray that after googling all these

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symbols that my impression says it was

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in the son of the craft and apparently

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where the thruster was underneath this

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ellipse would shake crap that the symbol

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might actually represent the V

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represented the flame whether it is

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located the three bars symbolized a form

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of radiation or heat and it basically

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was a warning sign like you know don't

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stand behind a truck or something

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he thought that was a pretty good idea

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but you know at this point it's all

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speculation as to what it actually means

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if you google radiation symbols it's

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pretty close there are triangles with

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three different objects in it simulated

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in a way so you know could be close let

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me ask you a silly question based on

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what you said and I'm saying that the

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Socorro craft was anything that was not

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unusual what if it was a test aircraft

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of some kind a test of some kind of

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nuclear-powered system well a lot of

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speculation on that and as far as you

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know could have been the lunar lander it

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that the timing was off or that it had

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an engine that had to be rebuilt it

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didn't make sense for them to land it in

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Sapporo's backyard no from eating white

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sands they speculated no balloons and

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all kinds of test aircraft we don't have

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anything today like it so I can't

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imagine there being testing crap back

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then they have those characteristics

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yeah we we've done it pretty deep dug on

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this and there's documents that we have

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that is on the internet now but then on

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our website

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va.com but there's documents showing

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that they asked Bell Labs Hughes

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Aircraft the air for our state have

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letters to every agency asking if their

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craft was theirs and Hector

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Quintanilla's they had a blue book of

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secret clearance to go to any facility

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and he and his book said he thought he

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was gonna find this craft and a hangar

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somewhere he didn't find anything like

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it and he was frustrated to the end you

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know he says it wasn't anything unusual

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but he also says that's the one case

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that frustrated them so we have

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documentation showing that every single

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person or whether company that could

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have built a vehicle like that was

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contacted because the FBI was involved

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and the White House Joint Chiefs of

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staff's was asking what's going on we

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have all that documented and none of

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these guys came back and said it was one

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of ours wasn't a black project and it

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was way off base and if you've been to

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the air we're actually going back in two

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weeks but we've been there before that's

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nothing out there there's still nothing

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out there it's it's a pretty uh it's a

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good place to land if you need to fix

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something because you wouldn't be seen

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unless you just happened to catch the

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eye of maybe be a policeman you know

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speaking the Socorro case back in the

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early to mid 1990s

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I interviewed Phil class actually a

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couple of times on my then radio show

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that I was broadcasting over the cable

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radio network called UFOs tonight and

510
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this was one of the cases that I ended

511
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up speaking to class about now class had

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a very shall we say unusual attempted to

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explain this case away by suggesting

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that this whole thing was a combination

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of a hoax put together by Lonnie Zamora

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the mayor there at the town in order to

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and this I'm giving you the short

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version in order to get the tourists out

519
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there eMobile if you can find out about

520
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making Socorro a tourist trap let's do a

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break Ben Tony Don Genie you're in the

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[Music]

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this is Robert Hastings author of UFOs

635
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:12,850
and nukes and you're listening to the

636
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637
00:27:27,030 --> 00:27:24,940
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638
00:27:30,390 --> 00:27:27,040
co-host is Don Ecker I'm gene Steinberg

639
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:30,400
and as you were saying Don looking into

640
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:33,330
the possibility here a typical skeptical

641
00:27:38,130 --> 00:27:36,640
debunker right what exactly where they

642
00:27:39,530 --> 00:27:38,140
come up with something outrageous that

643
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:39,540
they want to make this into another

644
00:27:44,850 --> 00:27:42,910
Roswell New Mexico I suppose into a

645
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:44,860
tourist traps now I understand Socorro

646
00:27:53,730 --> 00:27:46,690
New Mexico is really a pretty small town

647
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:53,740
isn't it because the property was known

648
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:55,930
by hufo class said it was a what known

649
00:27:59,670 --> 00:27:57,850
about merde owned by somebody else and

650
00:28:01,380 --> 00:27:59,680
we actually contact the owner every time

651
00:28:03,570 --> 00:28:01,390
we go on site and make sure it's okay

652
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,580
but there's nothing out there they built

653
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:05,200
that monument that every time you get a

654
00:28:08,610 --> 00:28:06,850
look at it which is about a mile away

655
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:08,620
from a landing site you have to clear

656
00:28:11,910 --> 00:28:10,450
the tumbleweeds off of it you know their

657
00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:11,920
remaining money they never had a

658
00:28:15,120 --> 00:28:14,260
conference it's really a small town but

659
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:15,130
I'll tell you the best thing that

660
00:28:21,030 --> 00:28:16,720
happened when we went there was they got

661
00:28:22,650 --> 00:28:21,040
the best burger ever eaten steak yeah it

662
00:28:24,930 --> 00:28:22,660
was excellent I still remember that

663
00:28:27,990 --> 00:28:24,940
burger now for those who don't know

664
00:28:34,170 --> 00:28:28,000
their geography saqqara New Mexico

665
00:28:37,020 --> 00:28:34,180
what's it near White Sands is near there

666
00:28:38,790 --> 00:28:37,030
the pearlite mills which is you know

667
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:38,800
where this craft was described is going

668
00:28:44,610 --> 00:28:42,490
to is is a off-limits army sealed base

669
00:28:46,770 --> 00:28:44,620
so it's pretty interesting and has been

670
00:28:48,900 --> 00:28:46,780
for some time but we've got a lot of

671
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:48,910
other people that we got information

672
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:51,010
from that had encounters with Lonnie and

673
00:28:55,500 --> 00:28:53,530
were around at that time that pretty

674
00:28:58,290 --> 00:28:55,510
much solidified that this was an unusual

675
00:29:00,540 --> 00:28:58,300
event what's more is that the thing that

676
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:00,550
many people don't understand or realize

677
00:29:07,620 --> 00:29:03,370
is that this craft and others like it

678
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,630
we're seeing well before this this event

679
00:29:11,940 --> 00:29:10,000
occurred and well after as well as all

680
00:29:14,430 --> 00:29:11,950
over the world including Germany Italy

681
00:29:16,110 --> 00:29:14,440
France yeah there's a white egg-shaped

682
00:29:18,210 --> 00:29:16,120
object that supposed to have added the

683
00:29:19,529 --> 00:29:18,220
Holliman there was one that was on the

684
00:29:20,849 --> 00:29:19,539
road

685
00:29:23,879 --> 00:29:20,859
on a grow this is all in the same

686
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:23,889
timeframe which two policemen witnessed

687
00:29:28,649 --> 00:29:26,529
two military men witnessed the one at

688
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:28,659
Holloman although it was a bigger object

689
00:29:33,779 --> 00:29:31,450
and then there was a jet pilot aircraft

690
00:29:36,749 --> 00:29:33,789
where the guy said he saw an ellipsoid

691
00:29:40,109 --> 00:29:36,759
shape with a symbol on it also it's hard

692
00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:40,119
to get a lot of detail on on some of the

693
00:29:43,529 --> 00:29:42,369
reports but we've run them in a lot of

694
00:29:45,149 --> 00:29:43,539
people that tell some interesting

695
00:29:47,820 --> 00:29:45,159
stories it's just that you know when you

696
00:29:50,729 --> 00:29:47,830
try to pin this on a student host and

697
00:29:53,249 --> 00:29:50,739
you reference the Colgate letter and all

698
00:29:54,599 --> 00:29:53,259
of that about students doing it I just

699
00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:54,609
don't see any way they could have pulled

700
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:57,129
it off there's no saying anyone that

701
00:30:00,629 --> 00:29:59,200
never took credit for looks yeah that's

702
00:30:02,009 --> 00:30:00,639
the thing if a college student had done

703
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:02,019
this they would have actually had to

704
00:30:05,909 --> 00:30:03,609
tell somebody and everybody would know

705
00:30:07,499 --> 00:30:05,919
about it but it's still supposedly a big

706
00:30:09,719 --> 00:30:07,509
secret as to who these guys are we've

707
00:30:11,310 --> 00:30:09,729
tried to an interview we were told one

708
00:30:13,259 --> 00:30:11,320
was in the hospital I'm one had left

709
00:30:15,629 --> 00:30:13,269
town and neither one of them would talk

710
00:30:17,489 --> 00:30:15,639
to us and the general feeling of the

711
00:30:18,989 --> 00:30:17,499
townspeople of Socorro was that they

712
00:30:20,580 --> 00:30:18,999
were just trying to get their 15 minutes

713
00:30:22,289 --> 00:30:20,590
of fame and they really didn't have

714
00:30:25,529 --> 00:30:22,299
anything to do with it you see that's

715
00:30:27,479 --> 00:30:25,539
the biggest thing that when people say

716
00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:27,489
oh it was a hoax

717
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:29,529
and they mentioned this college

718
00:30:33,469 --> 00:30:31,210
professor and these students and all

719
00:30:37,249 --> 00:30:33,479
this stuff there's no way that hoax

720
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:37,259
would have lasted more than five minutes

721
00:30:43,739 --> 00:30:41,289
without somebody saying hahaha look what

722
00:30:45,659 --> 00:30:43,749
we did and not 50 years later or

723
00:30:55,859 --> 00:30:45,669
something where nobody ever said

724
00:30:58,680 --> 00:30:55,869
anything I was thinking of the time it

725
00:31:00,960 --> 00:30:58,690
would take after it was done to disclose

726
00:31:03,869 --> 00:31:00,970
to somebody hey look what we did they

727
00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:03,879
made this big story Wow gosh ecology was

728
00:31:09,180 --> 00:31:06,249
you know college students are not going

729
00:31:10,859 --> 00:31:09,190
to keep a secret for 50 years now first

730
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:10,869
beer party and they'd be spilling the

731
00:31:17,489 --> 00:31:15,970
beans that it's called a hoax that's the

732
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:17,499
biggest hoax theory I can see

733
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:19,809
essentially because I've argued with

734
00:31:24,509 --> 00:31:21,970
several people in blogs and through

735
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:24,519
emails that tell me that it was the

736
00:31:29,999 --> 00:31:28,090
balloon towed by a car a blues set up

737
00:31:32,260 --> 00:31:30,009
with a candle in it and you know this

738
00:31:34,330 --> 00:31:32,270
object went into a 35 mile an hour

739
00:31:37,030 --> 00:31:34,340
we have the weather data from that time

740
00:31:38,740 --> 00:31:37,040
in the direction of the stiff wind and

741
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:38,750
we have footage where there it was the

742
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:40,010
exact same where they were there I think

743
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:42,290
it's April 24th which is the same day

744
00:31:45,220 --> 00:31:44,330
and the wind is very stiff there plus

745
00:31:48,220 --> 00:31:45,230
there's nowhere to hide

746
00:31:51,100 --> 00:31:48,230
it's a gully but you can't hide for what

747
00:31:53,620 --> 00:31:51,110
300 yards in a direction and there were

748
00:31:55,299 --> 00:31:53,630
no footprints holders on films captain

749
00:31:57,220 --> 00:31:55,309
Halldor was the Bluebook investigator

750
00:31:58,750 --> 00:31:57,230
and he's on film saying look there were

751
00:32:01,660 --> 00:31:58,760
no footprints there we didn't find any

752
00:32:03,549 --> 00:32:01,670
evidence of pyrotechnics that the career

753
00:32:05,740 --> 00:32:03,559
site Bush that got burned in half by the

754
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:05,750
flame it makes a couple thousand degrees

755
00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:09,200
to a fry of resin filled bush like that

756
00:32:13,540 --> 00:32:12,200
in in two seconds which I guess the

757
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,550
flame played on it for a couple of

758
00:32:18,010 --> 00:32:15,440
seconds but there's a lot of evidence

759
00:32:19,510 --> 00:32:18,020
there that it could have been host

760
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:19,520
there's a lot of evidence that it was

761
00:32:23,950 --> 00:32:22,010
unusual event the indentations were

762
00:32:27,310 --> 00:32:23,960
estimated to have been caused by a nine

763
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:27,320
ton vehicle you have to also know that

764
00:32:32,590 --> 00:32:29,929
Loni as he was chasing the speeder he

765
00:32:34,390 --> 00:32:32,600
saw an object go over him that may in

766
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:34,400
turn right you turn right into the

767
00:32:39,460 --> 00:32:36,890
desert at this point and yeah and

768
00:32:41,410 --> 00:32:39,470
they've actually left but how did they

769
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:41,420
how did that you know how did they get a

770
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:43,130
blue flame to cross over the police car

771
00:32:46,690 --> 00:32:44,570
I just don't know that balloon that can

772
00:32:51,250 --> 00:32:46,700
go into a 35 mile an hour wind and reach

773
00:32:53,919 --> 00:32:51,260
supersonic speeds in minutes right but

774
00:32:56,710 --> 00:32:53,929
you know we can talk about the rock that

775
00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:56,720
was broken by the landing pad that's

776
00:33:00,520 --> 00:32:58,370
actually been touched at a Goddard it

777
00:33:02,500 --> 00:33:00,530
had a very unusual assembly even though

778
00:33:04,390 --> 00:33:02,510
the same iron alloy wasn't you know

779
00:33:05,950 --> 00:33:04,400
completely unusual but it was very pure

780
00:33:08,740 --> 00:33:05,960
and it was bound together and strange

781
00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:08,750
why right yeah yes so there's just too

782
00:33:12,910 --> 00:33:10,790
much evidence that you know because when

783
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:12,920
we do investigations the first thing you

784
00:33:16,299 --> 00:33:14,570
try to do is prove it's it's something

785
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,309
other than what people claimed at the

786
00:33:20,169 --> 00:33:18,559
beam 19 I'm sure at the time that's the

787
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:20,179
case it's you know conjunction of

788
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:22,730
planets it's a you know it's a display

789
00:33:26,919 --> 00:33:24,610
of strobe lights in the sky but

790
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:26,929
everything we dig up once the coral and

791
00:33:31,570 --> 00:33:29,240
especially everything that Ray covered

792
00:33:34,060 --> 00:33:31,580
seems to be accurate I've talked to

793
00:33:36,730 --> 00:33:34,070
Lonnie's daughter and asked her if it

794
00:33:38,380 --> 00:33:36,740
was true that when she asked Lani what

795
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:38,390
actually happened in the desert that he

796
00:33:41,290 --> 00:33:40,010
pointed to race to his book and said

797
00:33:43,990 --> 00:33:41,300
that's the only guy that got it right

798
00:33:44,620 --> 00:33:44,000
and I asked her that she confirmed that

799
00:33:47,650 --> 00:33:44,630
that's at that

800
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:47,660
what she said and so Ray's book

801
00:33:51,220 --> 00:33:49,610
Sakura sauce for the Pentagon Factory is

802
00:33:53,650 --> 00:33:51,230
a great way to catch up on this case

803
00:33:55,990 --> 00:33:53,660
it's come out in the public lot lately

804
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:56,000
because it's more of the top ten cases

805
00:33:59,650 --> 00:33:57,770
in the United States of a close

806
00:34:00,880 --> 00:33:59,660
encounter the third thought you know

807
00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:00,890
what something hit me as you were

808
00:34:06,910 --> 00:34:04,430
talking there were cases around the same

809
00:34:09,490 --> 00:34:06,920
timeframe with a similar type of craft

810
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:09,500
given you know the range of human error

811
00:34:15,940 --> 00:34:13,490
what about subsequent years oh it's been

812
00:34:17,350 --> 00:34:15,950
spotted even today there's all kinds of

813
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:17,360
cases that we're seeing that are

814
00:34:22,270 --> 00:34:20,000
ellipsoid crap we're not seeing that the

815
00:34:23,860 --> 00:34:22,280
granular detail that we would expect

816
00:34:26,619 --> 00:34:23,870
like someone saying I saw a red symbol

817
00:34:29,980 --> 00:34:26,629
etc I saw landing pads or landing gear

818
00:34:32,050 --> 00:34:29,990
come out the ellipsoidal and luminous

819
00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:32,060
self illuminant you know object blue

820
00:34:36,490 --> 00:34:34,460
flame is still being seen like it

821
00:34:39,070 --> 00:34:36,500
usually looks just right and as much as

822
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:39,080
why it's kind of a pearl he described as

823
00:34:43,030 --> 00:34:41,090
being very listening you know coming

824
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:43,040
like a pearl in a way and like almost

825
00:34:48,129 --> 00:34:45,530
plasma so some some ways not necessarily

826
00:34:50,860 --> 00:34:48,139
metallic yeah we're still seeing those

827
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:50,870
today yeah there's just here's another

828
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:55,310
thing well Ray was there there sergeant

829
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:56,570
chef has been like

830
00:35:00,220 --> 00:34:58,370
congrat all didn't like any civilian

831
00:35:03,130 --> 00:35:00,230
investigators there but the police

832
00:35:05,290 --> 00:35:03,140
officers conferred to Ray that they had

833
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:05,300
seen the object before and after this

834
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:07,610
event before not that well but after

835
00:35:12,670 --> 00:35:09,890
there was apparently a landing by the

836
00:35:14,470 --> 00:35:12,680
reservoir and you know when asked if

837
00:35:16,030 --> 00:35:14,480
they would ever talk about it they said

838
00:35:17,890 --> 00:35:16,040
tell me now look at the way bond is

839
00:35:19,930 --> 00:35:17,900
being treated that we're never open our

840
00:35:22,090 --> 00:35:19,940
mouths that thing lands on our alliser's

841
00:35:24,580 --> 00:35:22,100
on this but so another another point

842
00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:24,590
bond is that the law knees life was not

843
00:35:29,770 --> 00:35:28,250
better by this entire but he it was a

844
00:35:32,140 --> 00:35:29,780
tough thing for him he had wish he'd

845
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:32,150
never seen it and Lonnie everybody I

846
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:34,310
think believes a lot he said exactly

847
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:35,810
what he thinks happened he didn't make

848
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:38,930
anything up and and there's just it's

849
00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:41,330
tough to investigate something from 1964

850
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:43,250
but there are you know these little

851
00:35:48,130 --> 00:35:44,960
pieces that have come out that seem to

852
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:48,140
point to it being I just call it a

853
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:50,210
nonhuman event I can't say anything

854
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:51,530
beyond that because I couldn't tell you

855
00:35:56,500 --> 00:35:54,170
what it was but it sure was a technology

856
00:35:57,950 --> 00:35:56,510
that I still think we have today about

857
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:57,960
but blue playing

858
00:36:02,540 --> 00:36:00,780
that causes radiation hours after the

859
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:02,550
event but the next day that radiation is

860
00:36:06,020 --> 00:36:03,089
gone

861
00:36:08,660 --> 00:36:06,030
we do have Hynek on film that when he

862
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:08,670
was talking with Ray saying that the

863
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:10,920
film was indeed followed by radiation so

864
00:36:14,870 --> 00:36:12,330
there's kind of a confirmation that that

865
00:36:17,060 --> 00:36:14,880
was true and all the thing any cultures

866
00:36:19,099 --> 00:36:17,070
could be able to make radiation appear

867
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:19,109
for six hours and then disappear from

868
00:36:24,410 --> 00:36:20,760
the site guys will talk about the

869
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:24,420
radiation in a moment we've got some

870
00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:26,700
more fascinating discussions as we look

871
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,380
again at this a car in New Mexico case

872
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in other cases that might involve

873
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radiation we have been Tony Don and gene

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975
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so guys I was thinking about the

976
00:41:30,980 --> 00:41:28,380
radiation here and you mentioned that it

977
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:30,990
was there and then it wasn't nothing

978
00:41:38,830 --> 00:41:33,930
like the cash Landrum case from what a

979
00:41:42,830 --> 00:41:38,840
1980 where people suffered basically

980
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permanent or enduring damage physical

981
00:41:49,220 --> 00:41:46,560
damage because of possible radiation

982
00:41:51,170 --> 00:41:49,230
exposure we see a different kind of

983
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:51,180
radiation right I always thought that

984
00:41:56,540 --> 00:41:54,480
cash Landrum case was more of our

985
00:41:58,430 --> 00:41:56,550
technology perhaps you know we reverse

986
00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,440
engineer something because it was

987
00:42:02,900 --> 00:42:00,480
escorted by helicopters there's a lot of

988
00:42:05,630 --> 00:42:02,910
sightings of that and possibly that

989
00:42:08,810 --> 00:42:05,640
radiation was very ionizing and harmful

990
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:08,820
it's very possible that it was you know

991
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:11,640
our you know earth human error you know

992
00:42:16,220 --> 00:42:13,980
trying to get it right because what we

993
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:16,230
think happened within the Socorro case

994
00:42:19,940 --> 00:42:18,330
that blue flamed that knife in the

995
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:19,950
ground was more of a subatomic particle

996
00:42:24,590 --> 00:42:22,290
and release of energy if you will which

997
00:42:26,420 --> 00:42:24,600
is how the molecules were accelerated so

998
00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:26,430
quickly in that crius like bush that

999
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:27,870
normally takes what was it for Mature

1000
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:30,710
thousand degrees burn cooking like that

1001
00:42:36,050 --> 00:42:33,810
right and so not only that when we were

1002
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:36,060
there at Ground Zero where that flame my

1003
00:42:40,790 --> 00:42:37,680
finding into the ground we noticed that

1004
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:40,800
the the sand in that area seemed to be

1005
00:42:45,380 --> 00:42:42,660
in a different texture kind of more baby

1006
00:42:47,150 --> 00:42:45,390
powdery if you will then the other dirt

1007
00:42:49,220 --> 00:42:47,160
surrounding it and no matter how much

1008
00:42:51,530 --> 00:42:49,230
you dig into that you know particular

1009
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:51,540
area it's the same consistency but we're

1010
00:42:54,080 --> 00:42:52,650
going to bring some of that sample back

1011
00:42:56,090 --> 00:42:54,090
this time

1012
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:56,100
get a couple samples just a just a note

1013
00:43:00,950 --> 00:42:58,020
see what different kind of solute yet

1014
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:00,960
let me take a detour here I'm originally

1015
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:03,290
from the East Coast I'm from central

1016
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:09,290
western Pennsylvania and in 1966 I had a

1017
00:43:16,220 --> 00:43:13,290
actually an extraordinary sighting above

1018
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:16,230
the Horseshoe Curve which is in Altoona

1019
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:20,130
Pennsylvania now I had an interest in

1020
00:43:26,300 --> 00:43:23,880
this topic growing up and of course one

1021
00:43:28,670 --> 00:43:26,310
of the big things that came out of the

1022
00:43:31,220 --> 00:43:28,680
Hillsdale Michigan sighting was the

1023
00:43:33,410 --> 00:43:31,230
Condon committee which was put together

1024
00:43:34,530 --> 00:43:33,420
at the University of Colorado on when

1025
00:43:37,050 --> 00:43:34,540
that book

1026
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:37,060
came out the conclusion where the whole

1027
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:39,010
thing even though over 30% of all the

1028
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:42,850
cases had never been explained or solved

1029
00:43:48,030 --> 00:43:45,610
basically the Air Force used that to

1030
00:43:50,910 --> 00:43:48,040
shut the whole UFO thing down in the

1031
00:43:54,090 --> 00:43:50,920
public venue period okay now when I came

1032
00:43:57,210 --> 00:43:54,100
back from the Army I became a police

1033
00:44:00,090 --> 00:43:57,220
officer and one of the things that I

1034
00:44:02,850 --> 00:44:00,100
discovered after coming back and it was

1035
00:44:07,020 --> 00:44:02,860
shocking and as a matter of fact this

1036
00:44:09,060 --> 00:44:07,030
case was even reported then in the MUFON

1037
00:44:13,350 --> 00:44:09,070
Journal going there this is in the I

1038
00:44:15,630 --> 00:44:13,360
guess the mid 70s a woman travelling

1039
00:44:18,990 --> 00:44:15,640
between I believe it was Bellwood

1040
00:44:23,100 --> 00:44:19,000
Pennsylvania and Altoona whose husband

1041
00:44:27,720 --> 00:44:23,110
was a local police chief was run off the

1042
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:27,730
road okay by a low-flying UFO

1043
00:44:33,420 --> 00:44:29,650
now this was one of the things that

1044
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:33,430
really excited my curiosity now that

1045
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:36,640
whole area back east where you guys are

1046
00:44:43,230 --> 00:44:40,000
now Ohio Pennsylvania New York New

1047
00:44:47,870 --> 00:44:43,240
Jersey Virginia West Virginia have been

1048
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:47,880
an absolute hotbed for decades of

1049
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:50,800
unusual lights and even creature reports

1050
00:44:57,150 --> 00:44:55,050
were you guys today on any

1051
00:45:03,540 --> 00:44:57,160
investigations or anything

1052
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:03,550
taking that basically to task sometimes

1053
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,170
pretty interesting but you know there's

1054
00:45:12,210 --> 00:45:10,000
a lot of weird stuff that happens there

1055
00:45:13,890 --> 00:45:12,220
as far as there being a Bigfoot or

1056
00:45:16,110 --> 00:45:13,900
something you know from all the evidence

1057
00:45:19,890 --> 00:45:16,120
I've seen there's probably some species

1058
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:19,900
of ancient man or giganticus or

1059
00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:21,730
something that is wandering around out

1060
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:24,190
there and it's it's so smart that's why

1061
00:45:29,250 --> 00:45:26,770
we can't find it I remember that one of

1062
00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:29,260
the great climbers sir Hillary or

1063
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:30,790
somebody said that he had seen a thing

1064
00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:32,800
said he knew why we couldn't find it

1065
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:34,030
they could smell you three miles away

1066
00:45:38,610 --> 00:45:36,490
but he even counted them on Mount

1067
00:45:41,220 --> 00:45:38,620
Everest whatever species that may be

1068
00:45:43,170 --> 00:45:41,230
right there's a lot going on around here

1069
00:45:45,150 --> 00:45:43,180
we across through MUFON only

1070
00:45:47,010 --> 00:45:45,160
investigated Virginia but there are

1071
00:45:50,220 --> 00:45:47,020
cases that we look at

1072
00:45:53,339 --> 00:45:50,230
no on our own I think that part of the

1073
00:45:55,859 --> 00:45:53,349
issue here is that we have a lot of

1074
00:45:57,930 --> 00:45:55,869
military bases there's a ton of military

1075
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:57,940
bases around here you know Fort Belvoir

1076
00:46:03,210 --> 00:46:00,660
you have Norfolk Naval Station yeah

1077
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:03,220
Washington DC and all the things that

1078
00:46:08,609 --> 00:46:05,050
fly around on Washington DC and the

1079
00:46:10,589 --> 00:46:08,619
Pentagon so there's a lot of things

1080
00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:10,599
flying around that people reported UFOs

1081
00:46:16,349 --> 00:46:14,410
that our military probably for hours so

1082
00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:16,359
we have to contact with a grain of salt

1083
00:46:20,460 --> 00:46:18,760
that a lot of reports may not be that

1084
00:46:23,490 --> 00:46:20,470
accurate it's it's hard to really get

1085
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:23,500
really great reports that you can get on

1086
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,010
site and get some good data we're

1087
00:46:30,900 --> 00:46:29,200
basically trying to get our own data by

1088
00:46:33,750 --> 00:46:30,910
going out and just trying to catch

1089
00:46:35,070 --> 00:46:33,760
things you know the way Ray Stanford did

1090
00:46:37,470 --> 00:46:35,080
it just being a right place to the right

1091
00:46:39,720 --> 00:46:37,480
file the right equipment and see what

1092
00:46:41,660 --> 00:46:39,730
you can catch where we go out into

1093
00:46:44,700 --> 00:46:41,670
Arizona it's the core of that area

1094
00:46:46,650 --> 00:46:44,710
66 West is probably one of the most

1095
00:46:50,550 --> 00:46:46,660
legendary road you can go down because

1096
00:46:53,370 --> 00:46:50,560
you have all these places from Socorro

1097
00:46:55,020 --> 00:46:53,380
to Scottsdale and that they tell and

1098
00:46:57,720 --> 00:46:55,030
Magdalena and all these places that seem

1099
00:47:00,120 --> 00:46:57,730
to have UFO history it's very

1100
00:47:01,589 --> 00:47:00,130
interesting there's there's so much

1101
00:47:03,770 --> 00:47:01,599
going on around here it's just that we

1102
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:03,780
have daytime Johnson it's tough to

1103
00:47:08,609 --> 00:47:06,220
squeeze in the investigations which are

1104
00:47:11,310 --> 00:47:08,619
all out of pocket but you know it's a

1105
00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,320
passion for us so any great case as we

1106
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:14,800
see we try to tackle okay do you have

1107
00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:18,880
any speculation on why that part of the

1108
00:47:25,530 --> 00:47:21,790
United States and I'm the states that I

1109
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:25,540
mentioned Ohio Pennsylvania New York New

1110
00:47:32,070 --> 00:47:29,050
Jersey Virginia West Virginia why

1111
00:47:36,660 --> 00:47:32,080
they're such a hotbed of sightings and

1112
00:47:39,359 --> 00:47:36,670
there are enough unusual cases that what

1113
00:47:43,650 --> 00:47:39,369
would blow away the possibility that all

1114
00:47:46,140 --> 00:47:43,660
of these are military aircraft well

1115
00:47:48,900 --> 00:47:46,150
they're a friend of ours Cheryl Kosta

1116
00:47:50,490 --> 00:47:48,910
who wrote a really excellent book man I

1117
00:47:53,790 --> 00:47:50,500
wish I could cover the title there was a

1118
00:47:56,970 --> 00:47:53,800
population of UFO sightings I believe in

1119
00:47:59,070 --> 00:47:56,980
all the states but she was doing when

1120
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:59,080
she was researching for that book she's

1121
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,240
basically in the

1122
00:48:05,700 --> 00:48:03,040
there she was asking she was looking for

1123
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:05,710
correlation and UFO sightings and I

1124
00:48:11,190 --> 00:48:08,770
suggested that after first adjusting

1125
00:48:13,170 --> 00:48:11,200
military bases and bodies of water I

1126
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:13,180
said why don't you see if it correlates

1127
00:48:19,100 --> 00:48:16,750
with ancient Indian sacred places or

1128
00:48:22,170 --> 00:48:19,110
places that were renowned by our ancient

1129
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:22,180
culture you know the of the Indians and

1130
00:48:28,500 --> 00:48:25,330
it correlated really well and so that

1131
00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:28,510
told me that maybe the cultures the

1132
00:48:32,850 --> 00:48:30,730
Indian culture that was here before us

1133
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:32,860
when a ground was sacred

1134
00:48:36,570 --> 00:48:35,140
if it's maybe because of a reason that

1135
00:48:38,550 --> 00:48:36,580
they were seeing things or unusual

1136
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:38,560
things were happening and it could be

1137
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:40,330
because there's so much metal or you

1138
00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:41,890
know iron in the ground that you get

1139
00:48:46,020 --> 00:48:44,260
some type of electricity or it could be

1140
00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:46,030
other things but it just seemed to be a

1141
00:48:50,910 --> 00:48:48,760
weird correlation that you have in

1142
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:50,920
places that are sacred and have a

1143
00:48:55,890 --> 00:48:52,870
history of unusual things that you also

1144
00:48:58,650 --> 00:48:55,900
have signs of creatures and UFOs so the

1145
00:49:01,080 --> 00:48:58,660
correlation is there that maybe ancient

1146
00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:01,090
cultures recognized certain areas called

1147
00:49:06,180 --> 00:49:03,700
in sacred because a lot of weird stuff

1148
00:49:09,900 --> 00:49:06,190
goes on well of course one of the trail

1149
00:49:13,430 --> 00:49:09,910
breakers of that entire genre going back

1150
00:49:17,610 --> 00:49:13,440
to the 60s and 70s was John keel

1151
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:17,620
legendary author writer lecturer keel

1152
00:49:22,530 --> 00:49:20,290
had if you believe what he wrote in the

1153
00:49:26,130 --> 00:49:22,540
Mothman Prophecies some extraordinary

1154
00:49:29,130 --> 00:49:26,140
encounters and incidents down in the

1155
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:29,140
area of West Virginia and Ohio did you

1156
00:49:40,110 --> 00:49:30,880
guys ever follow in any of his

1157
00:49:42,540 --> 00:49:40,120
footprints out of curiosity Harpers

1158
00:49:47,100 --> 00:49:42,550
Ferry area and were they spotted the

1159
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:47,110
monolith and we put a bridge collapsed

1160
00:49:50,610 --> 00:49:48,880
and all that sort of stuff and I really

1161
00:49:52,230 --> 00:49:50,620
have no explanation for that it's one of

1162
00:49:54,930 --> 00:49:52,240
those things you know you can't be an

1163
00:49:56,100 --> 00:49:54,940
expert in everything we both took Ben

1164
00:49:58,410 --> 00:49:56,110
and I both try to stick to the

1165
00:50:00,300 --> 00:49:58,420
scientific side of things on the sky but

1166
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:00,310
you know we have friends that are really

1167
00:50:04,650 --> 00:50:02,770
into chasing Bigfoot and whatnot so we

1168
00:50:05,820 --> 00:50:04,660
always defer to them but it's really

1169
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:05,830
interesting I don't know what to make of

1170
00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:08,800
Mothman what he thought oh he was an

1171
00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:10,600
interesting guy and you don't know how

1172
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:12,670
much was kind of made up or Bela

1173
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:15,130
how much was actual actually happened

1174
00:50:20,370 --> 00:50:16,450
because he talks about everything from

1175
00:50:24,299 --> 00:50:20,380
men in black to creatures and UFOs and

1176
00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:24,309
this giant moth creature that was ten

1177
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,640
feet tall I saw the test they did on TV

1178
00:50:31,319 --> 00:50:29,200
which was interesting because if you're

1179
00:50:35,130 --> 00:50:31,329
driving a car and you drive by now you

1180
00:50:36,569 --> 00:50:35,140
might think it's six feet tall but West

1181
00:50:39,059 --> 00:50:36,579
Virginia is another one those states it

1182
00:50:41,370 --> 00:50:39,069
just has a you know inching history has

1183
00:50:42,990 --> 00:50:41,380
a lot of undeveloped areas there are a

1184
00:50:44,970 --> 00:50:43,000
lot of forests and things that you know

1185
00:50:47,940 --> 00:50:44,980
who knows what's in those forests but I

1186
00:50:50,130 --> 00:50:47,950
don't know if qu'il was on the keel so

1187
00:50:52,020 --> 00:50:50,140
to speak about what he was writing about

1188
00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,030
so I take some of it with a grain of

1189
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:54,160
salt it's great writing I really like it

1190
00:50:58,140 --> 00:50:56,170
but I just don't know if a lot of that

1191
00:51:01,319 --> 00:50:58,150
stuff is just stories

1192
00:51:04,289 --> 00:51:01,329
the thing with Mothman is it was a real

1193
00:51:07,289 --> 00:51:04,299
case it's not something that he'll

1194
00:51:10,890 --> 00:51:07,299
invented on the other hand he'll did

1195
00:51:17,670 --> 00:51:10,900
have a tendency to over dramatize some

1196
00:51:20,370 --> 00:51:17,680
of his cases and portray the paranoiac

1197
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:20,380
aspect of something and that's another

1198
00:51:25,890 --> 00:51:22,480
story such as men in black got more to

1199
00:51:30,530 --> 00:51:25,900
con with tony benn gene and don you're

1200
00:51:42,110 --> 00:51:38,470
[Music]

1201
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:42,120
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1202
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1203
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1205
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1206
00:52:00,800 --> 00:51:58,560
intelligence officer is haunted by

1207
00:52:03,350 --> 00:52:00,810
intense dreams about a beautiful woman

1208
00:52:06,200 --> 00:52:03,360
pleading for his help after a terrible

1209
00:52:08,330 --> 00:52:06,210
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1210
00:52:10,130 --> 00:52:08,340
turn out to be true and thrust him into

1211
00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:10,140
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1212
00:52:15,350 --> 00:52:13,020
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1213
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1254
00:54:03,680 --> 00:53:59,380
welcome back to the para cast the gold

1255
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:03,690
standard of paranormal radio and now

1256
00:54:14,819 --> 00:54:12,490
here's Jane Steinberg we're having a

1257
00:54:19,799 --> 00:54:14,829
great time here fascinating discussion

1258
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:19,809
with our two guests Toni Angela and Ben

1259
00:54:24,720 --> 00:54:21,910
moss and of course we started talking

1260
00:54:28,530 --> 00:54:24,730
about Sekar oh and we're into John keel

1261
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:28,540
now I knew John keel in the over the

1262
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:31,930
years from the time he showed up as a

1263
00:54:38,099 --> 00:54:35,170
writer for Ryan a Playboy one of those

1264
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:38,109
magazines and he entered the offices of

1265
00:54:45,059 --> 00:54:39,790
Jim Mosely it's saucer news in the

1266
00:54:46,770 --> 00:54:45,069
mid-60s and I didn't expect him being

1267
00:54:49,410 --> 00:54:46,780
anything more than a freelance writer

1268
00:54:52,020 --> 00:54:49,420
looking for a story and I didn't realize

1269
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:52,030
all this other stuff was gonna come from

1270
00:54:55,799 --> 00:54:52,480
him

1271
00:54:58,530 --> 00:54:55,809
he also had this amazingly wacky sense

1272
00:55:01,260 --> 00:54:58,540
of humor but he got really crotchety in

1273
00:55:03,780 --> 00:55:01,270
his old age well he was ill yeah was

1274
00:55:07,829 --> 00:55:03,790
that was the big problem he he was

1275
00:55:12,839 --> 00:55:07,839
suffering with diabetes and his vision

1276
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:12,849
was affected and I can remember in 1991

1277
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:17,290
I called John by I was friends out here

1278
00:55:24,539 --> 00:55:21,250
in LA with somebody that was looking to

1279
00:55:28,170 --> 00:55:24,549
purchase some property and I'm talking

1280
00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:28,180
about literary property and possibly

1281
00:55:36,690 --> 00:55:32,579
produce a film I called John up

1282
00:55:38,940 --> 00:55:36,700
introduced him to this gentleman my

1283
00:55:42,140 --> 00:55:38,950
friend started talking to keel about the

1284
00:55:45,900 --> 00:55:42,150
possibility of acquiring the rights to

1285
00:55:49,950 --> 00:55:45,910
Mothman Prophecies my buddy thought this

1286
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:49,960
might make a heck of a film project and

1287
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:52,930
I was kind of shocked because John keel

1288
00:55:59,819 --> 00:55:56,049
could not have been any less interested

1289
00:56:01,829 --> 00:55:59,829
in the whole thing so he just kind of

1290
00:56:02,850 --> 00:56:01,839
blow it off and and later my buddy

1291
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:02,860
looked at me and he said

1292
00:56:06,750 --> 00:56:04,150
well I guess he didn't want to sell it

1293
00:56:09,900 --> 00:56:06,760
and that was the bottom line later of

1294
00:56:12,330 --> 00:56:09,910
course he did I don't know I I saw that

1295
00:56:15,570 --> 00:56:12,340
movie that came out and I wasn't overly

1296
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:15,580
impressed well one of the lesser movies

1297
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:18,370
that Richard Gere did right well you

1298
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:20,530
know guys I wanted in the last segment

1299
00:56:25,950 --> 00:56:22,410
you had mentioned something I wanted to

1300
00:56:27,690 --> 00:56:25,960
address you had stated that your

1301
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:27,700
interests are primarily in the

1302
00:56:34,170 --> 00:56:30,690
scientific pursuits of of chasing

1303
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:34,180
basically objects in the air lights in

1304
00:56:39,140 --> 00:56:36,400
the in the sky so to speak you know

1305
00:56:41,790 --> 00:56:39,150
we've been doing that for over 70 years

1306
00:56:44,010 --> 00:56:41,800
have we gotten any further along the

1307
00:56:52,890 --> 00:56:44,020
trail to finding out what exactly is

1308
00:56:54,990 --> 00:56:52,900
happening you know that you know for the

1309
00:56:57,510 --> 00:56:55,000
time of ufology has been in existence

1310
00:57:00,150 --> 00:56:57,520
we're really not any further today than

1311
00:57:01,590 --> 00:57:00,160
we were back then as a matter of fact I

1312
00:57:04,590 --> 00:57:01,600
was reading through some of the

1313
00:57:06,450 --> 00:57:04,600
symposium proceedings from 1976 and I

1314
00:57:09,060 --> 00:57:06,460
was much more impressed with what I read

1315
00:57:12,210 --> 00:57:09,070
then than what I see now there were very

1316
00:57:14,850 --> 00:57:12,220
many respectable PhDs and scientists

1317
00:57:17,340 --> 00:57:14,860
type individuals coming out to the

1318
00:57:19,860 --> 00:57:17,350
symposiums and contributing their expert

1319
00:57:23,130 --> 00:57:19,870
knowledge and the field of the sciences

1320
00:57:25,410 --> 00:57:23,140
and was wonderful and today it's so

1321
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:25,420
there's a lot more arm sharing going on

1322
00:57:30,810 --> 00:57:28,210
and you know we've lost

1323
00:57:32,820 --> 00:57:30,820
I guess maybe that element you know I'm

1324
00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:32,830
having a very respectable highly

1325
00:57:37,020 --> 00:57:35,470
intelligent type of investigation work

1326
00:57:38,340 --> 00:57:37,030
being done the world so not seeing the

1327
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:38,350
cases that are something that is

1328
00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:39,610
something we got that might either

1329
00:57:44,340 --> 00:57:42,760
everything we investigate today is I saw

1330
00:57:46,260 --> 00:57:44,350
light in the sky and it blinked away

1331
00:57:47,940 --> 00:57:46,270
there's nothing doing that you know or

1332
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:47,950
saw something land and that and there's

1333
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:49,810
no evidence of it or things like

1334
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:51,490
business it's much more challenging to

1335
00:57:57,660 --> 00:57:54,610
get really worthy cases that would

1336
00:58:00,630 --> 00:57:57,670
require such skill yeah well I I knew

1337
00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:00,640
Walt Andrus I knew Walt for quite a

1338
00:58:07,230 --> 00:58:04,240
while I gotta be honest I have very very

1339
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:07,240
mixed feelings about the way Walt

1340
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:09,810
handled many many things

1341
00:58:15,060 --> 00:58:12,160
MUFON there's no getting around the fact

1342
00:58:16,740 --> 00:58:15,070
that over the years primarily in the

1343
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:16,750
past they did some from

1344
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:19,450
Bendis work trying to bring the subject

1345
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:22,690
to the public now with that being said

1346
00:58:29,370 --> 00:58:25,450
and taking the chance that I'm gonna

1347
00:58:32,610 --> 00:58:29,380
step on some toes how do you explain

1348
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:32,620
some of the speakers for example at the

1349
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:36,330
last symposium that had some of the most

1350
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:40,810
lunatic stories I ever heard like going

1351
00:58:44,310 --> 00:58:41,680
to Mars

1352
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:44,320
okay fighting a war there for 20 years

1353
00:58:49,620 --> 00:58:46,570
coming back and being put back into your

1354
00:58:54,330 --> 00:58:49,630
own body you're traveling to Mars with

1355
00:58:55,950 --> 00:58:54,340
Barack H Obama alright like some of

1356
00:59:00,980 --> 00:58:55,960
these speakers have done how could move

1357
00:59:09,210 --> 00:59:04,160
[Laughter]

1358
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:09,220
Las Vegas and mostly the network but you

1359
00:59:14,940 --> 00:59:12,490
know MUFON has had its issues you know

1360
00:59:16,860 --> 00:59:14,950
they're still trying to you know get the

1361
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:16,870
scientific study done it's just that

1362
00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:21,850
core conference like that I think Jan

1363
00:59:26,220 --> 00:59:24,190
had spoken that he said it was trying to

1364
00:59:28,530 --> 00:59:26,230
get a mixture of people and he surely

1365
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:28,540
did but you know you got to look at it

1366
00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:33,610
from a perspective the symposium was

1367
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:34,960
probably one of the most well attended

1368
00:59:38,580 --> 00:59:37,090
ones for a long time I think there were

1369
00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:38,590
maybe a couple thousand people came

1370
00:59:42,450 --> 00:59:40,420
through there and that's very high

1371
00:59:44,100 --> 00:59:42,460
number for some of the symposiums that

1372
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:44,110
are out so what does so then what we're

1373
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:47,170
talking about is is bringing in dollars

1374
00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:50,050
and not the scientific pursuit because

1375
00:59:58,470 --> 00:59:51,910
that can be looked at as a double-edged

1376
01:00:01,050 --> 00:59:58,480
sword you know you know I'm not a

1377
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:01,060
business degree guy but I would say that

1378
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:03,370
money has to be a part of it you have to

1379
01:00:10,590 --> 01:00:06,880
as a nonprofit you have to survive some

1380
01:00:13,950 --> 01:00:10,600
of it is entertainment I don't know I

1381
01:00:16,110 --> 01:00:13,960
don't buy any of this stuff about you

1382
01:00:19,020 --> 01:00:16,120
know that landish stuff that was said

1383
01:00:20,850 --> 01:00:19,030
but you know if it fills some seeds and

1384
01:00:23,460 --> 01:00:20,860
it gets other people to see something

1385
01:00:26,900 --> 01:00:23,470
they want to see it's it's maybe not the

1386
01:00:30,420 --> 01:00:26,910
mission of MUFON but it pays the bills

1387
01:00:32,819 --> 01:00:30,430
but you know I the problem

1388
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:32,829
my experience in myself is it's really

1389
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:36,490
hard to get good scientific people that

1390
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:38,410
are still working to talk about anything

1391
01:00:42,089 --> 01:00:40,089
they may know or want to investigate

1392
01:00:43,980 --> 01:00:42,099
because they can give you a lot of

1393
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:43,990
trouble and there's evidence of that so

1394
01:00:49,770 --> 01:00:46,450
well not to beat a dead horse but if you

1395
01:00:52,650 --> 01:00:49,780
have a PhD physicist coming in to

1396
01:00:55,079 --> 01:00:52,660
address the MUFON crowd and he's right

1397
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,089
after some guy that's talking about

1398
01:01:00,960 --> 01:00:57,040
going to Mars fighting an interplanetary

1399
01:01:12,569 --> 01:01:00,970
war you might understand why that PhD

1400
01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:12,579
might be reticent to participate because

1401
01:01:19,290 --> 01:01:16,809
they're trying it just seems like to

1402
01:01:21,390 --> 01:01:19,300
really focus and this goes back to what

1403
01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:21,400
we talked about before you know with not

1404
01:01:26,970 --> 01:01:23,200
having accomplished anything in 70 years

1405
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:26,980
you know with ufology is that you know

1406
01:01:34,140 --> 01:01:31,210
in the seventies ray Sanford was doing

1407
01:01:37,770 --> 01:01:34,150
this with magnetometers and and all the

1408
01:01:40,260 --> 01:01:37,780
equipment needed to capture data that we

1409
01:01:43,289 --> 01:01:40,270
forgot about and when people talk about

1410
01:01:45,380 --> 01:01:43,299
today mention the names and saying he

1411
01:01:47,670 --> 01:01:45,390
were doing you know scientific

1412
01:01:50,039 --> 01:01:47,680
investigation of UFOs with all this

1413
01:01:51,059 --> 01:01:50,049
great equipment for the first time ever

1414
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,069
well that's not true

1415
01:01:57,780 --> 01:01:53,520
because he had recordings of

1416
01:02:00,839 --> 01:01:57,790
magnetometers crappy gravimeters and you

1417
01:02:02,490 --> 01:02:00,849
know just all kinds of data that I don't

1418
01:02:04,589 --> 01:02:02,500
know how to interpret the data but you

1419
01:02:06,089 --> 01:02:04,599
know it just shows that he was onto

1420
01:02:08,339 --> 01:02:06,099
something and when he went out with

1421
01:02:11,010 --> 01:02:08,349
these devices and with the connections

1422
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:11,020
he had he was able to film really good

1423
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:14,559
UFOs using this great equipment and he

1424
01:02:20,549 --> 01:02:16,630
was able to hit one with a laser

1425
01:02:23,370 --> 01:02:20,559
actually yeah that's a great story I

1426
01:02:26,370 --> 01:02:23,380
don't know of anybody and ufologists in

1427
01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:26,380
the history of ecology who had millions

1428
01:02:32,220 --> 01:02:28,500
of dollars in grant money and

1429
01:02:34,740 --> 01:02:32,230
magnetometers gravimeters recording wwvv

1430
01:02:38,309 --> 01:02:34,750
timecode with anything that's found on

1431
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:38,319
the video and then being able to hit

1432
01:02:42,850 --> 01:02:40,089
some getting permission from the from

1433
01:02:44,830 --> 01:02:42,860
the Air Force to hit an object with lay

1434
01:02:47,830 --> 01:02:44,840
that they're confirming on a radar as

1435
01:02:49,810 --> 01:02:47,840
well so he had all this data coming

1436
01:02:51,220 --> 01:02:49,820
together as the most hard evidence and

1437
01:02:53,380 --> 01:02:51,230
we can't even get that kind of good data

1438
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:53,390
today and he's capturing me because they

1439
01:02:57,820 --> 01:02:55,490
knew on record they knew how to program

1440
01:03:00,490 --> 01:02:57,830
the deal up for cases and they knew how

1441
01:03:02,110 --> 01:03:00,500
to try to really optimize their their

1442
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nodes on the ground because they've been

1443
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at it for so long we were trying so hard

1444
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:06,620
to get him in touch with the people

1445
01:03:11,290 --> 01:03:08,450
today that are trying to accomplish the

1446
01:03:16,510 --> 01:03:11,300
same thing and for whatever reason they

1447
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:16,520
won't talk to Ray is it possible one

1448
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:19,010
reason I'm not gonna start anything some

1449
01:03:25,180 --> 01:03:20,570
of the stuff he was doing in the early

1450
01:03:27,130 --> 01:03:25,190
years with his brother may have left you

1451
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know kind of a taste in the mouths of

1452
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some people will precede that question

1453
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in our next segment with Ben and Tony

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subin and tony about the early history

1549
01:08:18,890 --> 01:08:16,600
of Rey and Rex Stanford because I

1550
01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:18,900
remember we thought of them as just

1551
01:08:26,460 --> 01:08:23,290
contact the sympathizers in those years

1552
01:08:29,039 --> 01:08:26,470
and I remember that Jim Mosley and I

1553
01:08:31,530 --> 01:08:29,049
worked in those years and even later

1554
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when I said well we have them on the

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para cast and he still remembered the

1556
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early days despite cigar oh yeah what's

1557
01:08:42,750 --> 01:08:41,140
interesting about rayon Rex is for many

1558
01:08:46,500 --> 01:08:42,760
people they don't realize that there are

1559
01:08:48,390 --> 01:08:46,510
identical twins and seeing pitches them

1560
01:08:50,970 --> 01:08:48,400
together is really interesting

1561
01:08:53,130 --> 01:08:50,980
his brother is into photography funny

1562
01:08:55,170 --> 01:08:53,140
enough you think that he'd be shooting

1563
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:55,180
things higher in the sky other than

1564
01:08:59,550 --> 01:08:57,250
birds but he's really big and worth

1565
01:09:02,250 --> 01:08:59,560
taking pictures of birds and he's uh

1566
01:09:04,020 --> 01:09:02,260
he's also a fellow at the University

1567
01:09:06,420 --> 01:09:04,030
that he worked worked actually got

1568
01:09:07,980 --> 01:09:06,430
fellow twice which was unusual anyways

1569
01:09:10,140 --> 01:09:07,990
he's very remarkable but he's not a do

1570
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:10,150
you follow Jenny more he gave up very

1571
01:09:13,410 --> 01:09:11,530
early on they wrote a book together

1572
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:13,420
called look up when they're about

1573
01:09:16,770 --> 01:09:14,650
seventeen or eighteen they didn't make a

1574
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:16,780
single plenty on it when I was trying to

1575
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:18,640
say earlier about when people trying to

1576
01:09:22,110 --> 01:09:20,080
look right up on the internet and they

1577
01:09:23,370 --> 01:09:22,120
start seeing negative things or things

1578
01:09:25,230 --> 01:09:23,380
that thing would interpret to be no you

1579
01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:25,240
know many of them are false and not true

1580
01:09:30,329 --> 01:09:27,670
you know he was accused of taking

1581
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:30,339
people's money for their predicting for

1582
01:09:39,030 --> 01:09:32,080
being psychic that's not true he only

1583
01:09:44,220 --> 01:09:39,040
didn't know I know reptilians to hang

1584
01:09:46,500 --> 01:09:44,230
out in my neighborhood I'm kidding so

1585
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:46,510
anyways a lot of untruths about him in

1586
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:48,970
the media and he's lived so many lives

1587
01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:51,370
actually and he's been there I don't

1588
01:09:55,320 --> 01:09:53,650
know anybody who's had his job as you

1589
01:09:57,420 --> 01:09:55,330
follow just from the time that they were

1590
01:09:59,130 --> 01:09:57,430
a teenager they were already written I

1591
01:10:00,069 --> 01:09:59,140
think to book before they were twenty

1592
01:10:04,930 --> 01:10:00,079
this is

1593
01:10:07,299 --> 01:10:04,940
day out his entire life pretty much -

1594
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:07,309
and then yeah now he's into you know

1595
01:10:11,169 --> 01:10:09,290
paleontology just remarkable

1596
01:10:13,209 --> 01:10:11,179
so what's what I'm just trying to tell

1597
01:10:15,310 --> 01:10:13,219
the listeners is know whenever you see

1598
01:10:17,470 --> 01:10:15,320
anything so outlandish is someone being

1599
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a reptilian who's you know some kind of

1600
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:19,250
a lunatic psychic and things like this

1601
01:10:24,459 --> 01:10:21,920
you know look at the guy's work you know

1602
01:10:26,379 --> 01:10:24,469
the the work you did on Sakura sauce or

1603
01:10:28,359 --> 01:10:26,389
a Pentagon character should be a manual

1604
01:10:30,100 --> 01:10:28,369
training manual for any apologist

1605
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:30,110
getting into the field hey when I was

1606
01:10:34,930 --> 01:10:32,239
younger I did some pretty dumb stuff

1607
01:10:37,330 --> 01:10:34,940
that I wouldn't want outlook so we all

1608
01:10:39,669 --> 01:10:37,340
we all do things that were not proud of

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in some point our life but you know ray

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I think this whole paleontology thing is

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what's shown how observant he is and how

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detail-oriented he is and I was out

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there at Goddard when the doctor Walker

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he and him did the presentation and

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veiled the slab and it's just amazing I

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mean I can understand how ray could see

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these things because his powers of

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observation are incredible there's a

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2012 article in The Washington Post when

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the reporter went out dinosaur out with

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Ray they found some dinosaur bones while

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they were out there that's easily Google

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yeah so you know we kind of learned a

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lot about how to go look for these

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things from array and so we you know we

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have a lot of devices we can take out we

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cannot use more we're going to areas

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that seem to be hotspots and the mistake

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most people make as they film at night

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we don't want to film at night because

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we won't get any data so we'll film in

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the daytime dusk and dawn is the best

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time the light is polarized and maybe it

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kind of makes these things a little bit

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more visible than even they think they

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are because that seems to be one rays

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film them but you know the evidence that

1638
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we've seen just tells me that there is

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an advanced technology that's operating

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in our atmosphere and has been for a

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pretty long time like I couldn't tell

1642
01:11:55,810 --> 01:11:54,079
you what it was you know I don't know if

1643
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it's alien or interdimensional or

1644
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time-traveling they're dimensional

1645
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:00,650
aliens or well it just if somebody's

1646
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coming here it's 500 years ahead of us

1647
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that's one thing if somebody's coming

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here and it's 500 thousand years ahead

1649
01:12:09,399 --> 01:12:07,730
of us well then it'd be like given

1650
01:12:11,470 --> 01:12:09,409
DaVinci a cell phone and saying you know

1651
01:12:13,799 --> 01:12:11,480
figure this out for me he would never

1652
01:12:16,589 --> 01:12:13,809
hurried out you see that's the thing I'm

1653
01:12:19,890 --> 01:12:16,599
about UFOs and what we've seen whether

1654
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:19,900
what we see is what we get and the

1655
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:23,530
reason is assume we have a race of

1656
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intelligences from another star system

1657
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:29,020
they're not 500 years ahead of us

1658
01:12:34,379 --> 01:12:31,360
they're a thousand or two would we even

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01:12:37,830 --> 01:12:34,389
be capable of recognizing their

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technology because even though so-called

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flying saucers or UFOs appeared it would

1662
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:42,820
represent advanced technology it's not

1663
01:12:47,850 --> 01:12:45,610
2,000 years if there's any linear

1664
01:12:49,799 --> 01:12:47,860
progression there we wouldn't even be

1665
01:12:52,890 --> 01:12:49,809
able to recognize them as spacecraft for

1666
01:12:55,859 --> 01:12:52,900
any kind of craft very likely what we

1667
01:12:57,990 --> 01:12:55,869
see is the best that we can to interpret

1668
01:13:04,830 --> 01:12:58,000
it or they're putting on a show for our

1669
01:13:07,109 --> 01:13:04,840
benefit the fact of the matter is gene

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01:13:09,589 --> 01:13:07,119
there there are other possible

1671
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:09,599
explanations about where these things

1672
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emanate from as we've discussed a number

1673
01:13:19,049 --> 01:13:16,360
of times if it's extraterrestrial and

1674
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:19,059
the tradition that we think of it but

1675
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:21,520
what would interdimensional mean any

1676
01:13:29,939 --> 01:13:25,690
less alien in the true sense of the word

1677
01:13:32,220 --> 01:13:29,949
alien alien if they're popping in from a

1678
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:32,230
fourth or fifth dimension you know and

1679
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:33,670
they could pop back out again

1680
01:13:37,500 --> 01:13:35,920
that's a dimension we can't see and that

1681
01:13:40,500 --> 01:13:37,510
you know even though string theory is

1682
01:13:42,479 --> 01:13:40,510
still a string theory still a theory it

1683
01:13:44,430 --> 01:13:42,489
does postulate anywhere from 10 to 20

1684
01:13:46,379 --> 01:13:44,440
dimensions so maybe they're just

1685
01:13:48,359 --> 01:13:46,389
vibrating on a different frequency maybe

1686
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:48,369
they'd have it the same space but it's a

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different it's a different reality for

1688
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:53,260
them but they would still be alien to

1689
01:13:57,540 --> 01:13:54,610
humans you know anything that's not

1690
01:13:59,189 --> 01:13:57,550
human is alien to me it's just maybe you

1691
01:14:01,500 --> 01:13:59,199
can classify it another way well there's

1692
01:14:04,770 --> 01:14:01,510
a recent article unlike your honor about

1693
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:04,780
quantum theory with conventional physics

1694
01:14:08,819 --> 01:14:06,880
like that where you know how when you're

1695
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looking for something let's say you're

1696
01:14:13,919 --> 01:14:11,770
looking for a light cap that fits on

1697
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your soda soda bottle and you're looking

1698
01:14:16,830 --> 01:14:15,159
all over your desk and you're looking

1699
01:14:18,240 --> 01:14:16,840
for you can't find you can't find it and

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01:14:19,529 --> 01:14:18,250
someone else walks in and finds it right

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in front it's because it was blue the

1702
01:14:24,270 --> 01:14:21,730
whole heart but your mind was looking

1703
01:14:26,850 --> 01:14:24,280
for a white cap it was blue right but

1704
01:14:27,540 --> 01:14:26,860
you didn't see it so this article just

1705
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didn't much

1706
01:14:30,300 --> 01:14:29,050
basically saying that we don't see those

1707
01:14:32,430 --> 01:14:30,310
other dimensions because we're so

1708
01:14:34,380 --> 01:14:32,440
focused on other things so to speak but

1709
01:14:35,070 --> 01:14:34,390
what's understand we're looking down at

1710
01:14:37,530 --> 01:14:35,080
our cell phones

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01:14:40,290 --> 01:14:37,540
okay well you see that's the reason why

1712
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:40,300
cell phones don't take UFO pictures

1713
01:14:45,210 --> 01:14:42,370
because today's cellphone the best of

1714
01:14:48,350 --> 01:14:45,220
the breed and I'll rate Apple and

1715
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Samsung doing the best cameras and

1716
01:14:53,090 --> 01:14:50,680
sometimes one is a bit better than the

1717
01:14:56,580 --> 01:14:53,100
other but they'll do decent pictures

1718
01:14:58,380 --> 01:14:56,590
despite that we don't see the photos now

1719
01:15:00,330 --> 01:14:58,390
they may not be good at capturing little

1720
01:15:03,210 --> 01:15:00,340
lights in the sky and giving us detail

1721
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:03,220
we expect that but if the object or

1722
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whatever it is is close enough you think

1723
01:15:11,190 --> 01:15:08,470
they would but as you say everyone is

1724
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looking down at their smartphones I mean

1725
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I go to today I need a real cheap

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breakfast to some restaurant just to get

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by cuz it's I just moved that's pretty

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crazy and so I look for the dollar

1729
01:15:26,790 --> 01:15:24,940
special I sat down there with my iPhone

1730
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and I realized everybody in that

1731
01:15:32,460 --> 01:15:29,170
restaurant was doing the same thing with

1732
01:15:34,290 --> 01:15:32,470
their smartphone so if a UFO heck if

1733
01:15:35,670 --> 01:15:34,300
somebody tried to rob the restaurant and

1734
01:15:42,930 --> 01:15:35,680
didn't make a lot of noise they would

1735
01:15:45,270 --> 01:15:42,940
not have seen it yeah it's just that you

1736
01:15:46,770 --> 01:15:45,280
know people that's why sightings go up

1737
01:15:48,690 --> 01:15:46,780
and when it's warmer because people are

1738
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outside more and they don't have as many

1739
01:15:52,770 --> 01:15:51,400
when it's colder but no people are it's

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kind of like what Ray said about his

1741
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discovery you know you have these

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astrophysicists who are looking to the

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stars back in time but Ray look down on

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the ground at Goddard and look back in

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time 156 million years and South

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footprints well the thing also people

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who dispute what ray stanford says or

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think he's just making it up you look at

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the washington post's for example and

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the stories written about his

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paleontology work and that's amazing

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just amazing Ben Tony Jean and Don

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Amy and SCH okay just checking just

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01:21:45,910 --> 01:21:42,440
checking he's a man John a the truth

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01:21:47,819 --> 01:21:45,920
such a mensch Penn moss Tony Angie Ola

1875
01:21:51,209 --> 01:21:47,829
wondering with act we're talking about

1876
01:21:54,330 --> 01:21:51,219
or maybe not well speaking about rapist

1877
01:21:58,120 --> 01:21:54,340
paleontology works which is

1878
01:22:00,819 --> 01:21:58,130
extraordinary in itself brought to mind

1879
01:22:03,370 --> 01:22:00,829
part of the conversation we had this

1880
01:22:06,640 --> 01:22:03,380
past week with the Reverend Barry

1881
01:22:10,450 --> 01:22:06,650
downing and one of the items the topics

1882
01:22:12,970 --> 01:22:10,460
we discussed was the possibility the

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01:22:16,830 --> 01:22:12,980
speculation that the human race Homo

1884
01:22:21,970 --> 01:22:16,840
sapiens sapiens was in fact guided

1885
01:22:24,609 --> 01:22:21,980
directed perhaps manipulated by ancient

1886
01:22:29,260 --> 01:22:24,619
astronauts extraterrestrials that came

1887
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,270
here many many millennia ago and fiddled

1888
01:22:35,609 --> 01:22:32,000
around with the human race did it happen

1889
01:22:38,319 --> 01:22:35,619
well we don't know it's simply

1890
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:38,329
speculation a lot of high-level thinking

1891
01:22:45,970 --> 01:22:41,690
guesswork but gentlemen does that figure

1892
01:22:49,660 --> 01:22:45,980
into your worldview with this topic have

1893
01:22:51,580 --> 01:22:49,670
you entertained the idea that this is

1894
01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:51,590
not a new phenomenon and this is

1895
01:22:58,000 --> 01:22:55,480
actually a mind boggling incredibly old

1896
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:58,010
phenomenon that has been here with the

1897
01:23:03,970 --> 01:23:01,280
human race for perhaps forever have you

1898
01:23:05,979 --> 01:23:03,980
guys thought about that and if so what

1899
01:23:07,589 --> 01:23:05,989
do you think about that I think about it

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01:23:11,319 --> 01:23:07,599
every day

1901
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:11,329
I'm a strong believer that this has been

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01:23:16,959 --> 01:23:14,449
going on well before we came along and I

1903
01:23:19,050 --> 01:23:16,969
were probably most likely a product of

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01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:19,060
some sort of manipulation and engineer

1905
01:23:22,260 --> 01:23:21,280
along the way like you mentioned there's

1906
01:23:25,080 --> 01:23:22,270
some really great books

1907
01:23:27,390 --> 01:23:25,090
crémeux Michael Cremo has out from South

1908
01:23:30,090 --> 01:23:27,400
Africa from flying over that you found

1909
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:30,100
what he believes to be I guess Ground

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01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:31,930
Zero of creation which is really

1911
01:23:35,550 --> 01:23:33,370
interesting based on some of the

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01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:35,560
Zecharia Sitchin's work and whatnot and

1913
01:23:40,620 --> 01:23:37,690
also I believe there's underwater bases

1914
01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:40,630
especially off the coast of Puerto Rico

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01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:43,780
by Florida all the triangles around the

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01:23:48,150 --> 01:23:46,570
world possibly and we mentioned you guys

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01:23:51,630 --> 01:23:48,160
are talking about earlier underground

1918
01:23:55,020 --> 01:23:51,640
bases possibly near the bases in Arizona

1919
01:23:57,360 --> 01:23:55,030
New Mexico right off the coast by Santa

1920
01:24:03,900 --> 01:23:57,370
Monica here in Southern California as a

1921
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:03,910
matter of fact formation no no no no I'm

1922
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:05,970
not talking necessarily about the

1923
01:24:16,260 --> 01:24:14,080
formation oh yeah lots of sightings from

1924
01:24:18,690 --> 01:24:16,270
there absolutely and off the coast of

1925
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:18,700
Texas as well so I think there's a lot

1926
01:24:23,820 --> 01:24:21,250
of stuff happening in and out of our

1927
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:23,830
oceans even underground pyramids

1928
01:24:29,690 --> 01:24:27,250
probably although that's not provable

1929
01:24:33,630 --> 01:24:29,700
I've read all those books on underground

1930
01:24:35,250 --> 01:24:33,640
bases and tunnels and kid no hidden

1931
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:35,260
alien bases that we can't prove any of

1932
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:37,600
that so it's very possible but I just

1933
01:24:41,610 --> 01:24:39,010
think that because somebody opposed have

1934
01:24:43,740 --> 01:24:41,620
come in and out of the out of water it's

1935
01:24:45,180 --> 01:24:43,750
how you just you know Occam's razor if

1936
01:24:47,870 --> 01:24:45,190
there's going to be something down there

1937
01:24:49,890 --> 01:24:47,880
if they keep coming out of the ocean so

1938
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:49,900
you have to answer your question I think

1939
01:24:52,230 --> 01:24:51,010
they're going to be here after we're

1940
01:24:53,850 --> 01:24:52,240
gone too

1941
01:25:03,390 --> 01:24:53,860
there they were there before they'll be

1942
01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:03,400
here our gone and now that that answered

1943
01:25:09,300 --> 01:25:06,130
my question thank you yeah I'm a little

1944
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:09,310
more skeptical so I just think that

1945
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:12,130
they're you know when you study ecology

1946
01:25:17,250 --> 01:25:15,280
you go you know study the archeology and

1947
01:25:19,500 --> 01:25:17,260
history and religion and psychology and

1948
01:25:21,810 --> 01:25:19,510
physics and all these other fields to

1949
01:25:23,490 --> 01:25:21,820
try to get a handle on you know what is

1950
01:25:24,750 --> 01:25:23,500
really probably one of the most

1951
01:25:28,980 --> 01:25:24,760
interesting things we could possibly

1952
01:25:31,410 --> 01:25:28,990
study but it's funny because in my

1953
01:25:32,870 --> 01:25:31,420
research I found more evidence that a

1954
01:25:33,919 --> 01:25:32,880
really bad thing

1955
01:25:36,500 --> 01:25:33,929
happened about twelve to fifteen

1956
01:25:39,320 --> 01:25:36,510
thousand years ago and all the cultures

1957
01:25:40,850 --> 01:25:39,330
recorded it in such a way that they dug

1958
01:25:43,459 --> 01:25:40,860
underground to get away from the surface

1959
01:25:45,470 --> 01:25:43,469
of the planet because of either heat or

1960
01:25:46,879 --> 01:25:45,480
something but there was a really good

1961
01:25:48,410 --> 01:25:46,889
book it's hard to find that I read

1962
01:25:50,419 --> 01:25:48,420
called when the planet when the earth

1963
01:25:52,100 --> 01:25:50,429
nearly died fifteen thousand years ago

1964
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:52,110
it's written by a couple of geologists

1965
01:25:56,930 --> 01:25:55,050
who speculated that a supernova occurred

1966
01:25:59,870 --> 01:25:56,940
and it ejected some material that passed

1967
01:26:02,390 --> 01:25:59,880
our solar system and changed the spin of

1968
01:26:05,629 --> 01:26:02,400
several moons of these planets that do

1969
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:05,639
spend and the counter the direction of

1970
01:26:09,590 --> 01:26:07,679
what they should be spinning and they

1971
01:26:11,209 --> 01:26:09,600
showed that some type of evidence it

1972
01:26:12,919 --> 01:26:11,219
seemed that a large body did pass

1973
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:12,929
through a solar system and caused a lot

1974
01:26:18,590 --> 01:26:15,600
of changes and you know maybe further

1975
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:18,600
damn it's Mars at the time but if

1976
01:26:22,129 --> 01:26:20,130
they're saying when you do study the

1977
01:26:24,129 --> 01:26:22,139
phenomena that you touch on all these

1978
01:26:26,300 --> 01:26:24,139
other things now you try to figure out

1979
01:26:28,970 --> 01:26:26,310
was there some type of genetic

1980
01:26:31,459 --> 01:26:28,980
manipulation if you just you just

1981
01:26:35,570 --> 01:26:31,469
referred to something that Immanuel

1982
01:26:38,570 --> 01:26:35,580
Velikovsky wrote a book on that he was

1983
01:26:40,879 --> 01:26:38,580
you know metaphorically crucified for

1984
01:26:44,540 --> 01:26:40,889
worlds in collision that was a great

1985
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:44,550
yeah so if that's what you're referring

1986
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:47,360
to yeah you're absolutely correct

1987
01:26:53,330 --> 01:26:50,880
yeah there's I mean the job is the road

1988
01:26:55,220 --> 01:26:53,340
where the earthly died 50 years ago they

1989
01:26:56,810 --> 01:26:55,230
looked at these erratic boulders they're

1990
01:26:58,310 --> 01:26:56,820
called weather you have these rocks that

1991
01:27:00,919 --> 01:26:58,320
are totally out of place and they're

1992
01:27:03,140 --> 01:27:00,929
massive and they don't seem to be have

1993
01:27:05,930 --> 01:27:03,150
been put in certain areas by glaciation

1994
01:27:07,520 --> 01:27:05,940
and things like that so it's interesting

1995
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:07,530
because all the cultures interpret

1996
01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:09,120
things in a different way the gods are

1997
01:27:16,340 --> 01:27:12,270
angry or you know whatever and they

1998
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:16,350
think it was David shock you know Robert

1999
01:27:20,990 --> 01:27:18,810
Robert Schoch who postulated that this

2000
01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:21,000
event that happened melted the ice caps

2001
01:27:26,660 --> 01:27:24,510
and that the discharges which are very

2002
01:27:29,330 --> 01:27:26,670
interesting these plasma discharges look

2003
01:27:31,700 --> 01:27:29,340
like the Nazi symbol which is actually

2004
01:27:33,860 --> 01:27:31,710
you know a symbol that meant good things

2005
01:27:35,350 --> 01:27:33,870
before the Nazis took it but these

2006
01:27:38,330 --> 01:27:35,360
plasma discharges

2007
01:27:40,669 --> 01:27:38,340
resemble the Nazi symbol as well there's

2008
01:27:42,500 --> 01:27:40,679
where the swastika and you have a lot of

2009
01:27:43,850 --> 01:27:42,510
carvings from these Asian cultures and

2010
01:27:46,550 --> 01:27:43,860
Ray has some of them they're in the

2011
01:27:47,919 --> 01:27:46,560
shape of a swastika but they're 2,000

2012
01:27:51,859 --> 01:27:47,929
years

2013
01:27:54,109 --> 01:27:51,869
we're not going to tangent Airport well

2014
01:27:57,709 --> 01:27:54,119
that's that's what the shows is all

2015
01:28:02,359 --> 01:27:57,719
about free flow of information well

2016
01:28:04,939 --> 01:28:02,369
Velikovsky was a very as a matter of

2017
01:28:10,989 --> 01:28:04,949
fact I did a rather extensive article on

2018
01:28:14,419 --> 01:28:10,999
on him and Velikovsky was was someone

2019
01:28:17,629 --> 01:28:14,429
who as a matter of fact could have

2020
01:28:21,699 --> 01:28:17,639
actually been a ufologist and what I

2021
01:28:26,089 --> 01:28:21,709
mean by that is when he wrote his book

2022
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:26,099
he was roundly lambasted by people like

2023
01:28:34,129 --> 01:28:30,239
Howard Shapley okay who just did

2024
01:28:37,790 --> 01:28:34,139
everything to destroy him without having

2025
01:28:41,329 --> 01:28:37,800
read a single word of what Velikovsky

2026
01:28:44,199 --> 01:28:41,339
wrote okay and that's something that

2027
01:28:46,790 --> 01:28:44,209
often happens in this field doesn't it

2028
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,800
yeah I mean that happened a lot Stan

2029
01:28:52,189 --> 01:28:49,199
Friedman's been great and pointed out

2030
01:28:53,959 --> 01:28:52,199
that you know when he's debated some of

2031
01:28:56,839 --> 01:28:53,969
these people that they don't know what

2032
01:28:59,179 --> 01:28:56,849
they're talking about and you know if

2033
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:59,189
you wanted to bunk ufology you certainly

2034
01:29:02,989 --> 01:29:00,719
should know the history of you ecology

2035
01:29:05,029 --> 01:29:02,999
there's a lot of people that make

2036
01:29:08,119 --> 01:29:05,039
mistakes in the field because they don't

2037
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:08,129
understand some of the you know basic

2038
01:29:12,379 --> 01:29:09,449
things that have happened when people

2039
01:29:14,089 --> 01:29:12,389
say there's that not been any proof it

2040
01:29:16,250 --> 01:29:14,099
has been proof of something that's very

2041
01:29:18,619 --> 01:29:16,260
unusual going on that we could say it's

2042
01:29:20,029 --> 01:29:18,629
maybe not human but a lot of people

2043
01:29:21,709 --> 01:29:20,039
don't know the history of ecology and

2044
01:29:23,569 --> 01:29:21,719
that's why some of these older cases you

2045
01:29:25,429 --> 01:29:23,579
don't want to beat Roswell to death but

2046
01:29:27,169 --> 01:29:25,439
it's good to know some of these older

2047
01:29:28,849 --> 01:29:27,179
cases because if you don't remember your

2048
01:29:31,099 --> 01:29:28,859
history you know you're doing to repeat

2049
01:29:33,259 --> 01:29:31,109
it so we shouldn't be reinventing

2050
01:29:34,909 --> 01:29:33,269
ufology every year we should be moving

2051
01:29:38,329 --> 01:29:34,919
down the road of more science more

2052
01:29:39,859 --> 01:29:38,339
scientific equipment and since I guess

2053
01:29:41,929 --> 01:29:39,869
the part of our goal is since we're not

2054
01:29:45,319 --> 01:29:41,939
scientists you know if we can get the

2055
01:29:47,179 --> 01:29:45,329
data on various types of devices you

2056
01:29:49,459 --> 01:29:47,189
know the electromagnetic spectrum the

2057
01:29:51,619 --> 01:29:49,469
radiation spectra that these things are

2058
01:29:53,599 --> 01:29:51,629
producing for propulsion then we can

2059
01:29:55,399 --> 01:29:53,609
have somebody that's qualified figure

2060
01:29:57,319 --> 01:29:55,409
out what the data means we don't want to

2061
01:29:59,149 --> 01:29:57,329
be experts in physics but we can surely

2062
01:30:00,649 --> 01:29:59,159
find maybe somebody that'd be able to

2063
01:30:02,919 --> 01:30:00,659
tell us what's blow off

2064
01:30:05,720 --> 01:30:02,929
providing you have anybody with enough

2065
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wherewithal to be willing to enter the

2066
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:09,929
fray and as we all know and I certainly

2067
01:30:15,290 --> 01:30:12,330
have seen this many many times over the

2068
01:30:18,500 --> 01:30:15,300
years now you associate yourself with

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this topic and suddenly you become

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persona non grata that's just the way it

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works what works now is to pause a pause

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that refreshes we have been Tony Don and

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Jean you're in the para cast thank you

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2138
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said any society is only three missed

2139
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meals away from chaos those times may be

2140
01:33:27,580 --> 01:33:26,060
near think about it our country faces

2141
01:33:29,530 --> 01:33:27,590
multiple terrorist threats and

2142
01:33:31,780 --> 01:33:29,540
aggressions from Russia and North Korea

2143
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social unrest and violent marches yet

2144
01:33:35,590 --> 01:33:33,470
again may lead to looting of stores and

2145
01:33:37,150 --> 01:33:35,600
city shutdowns and a crumbling

2146
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infrastructure leaves our power grid

2147
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vulnerable to long term outages from a

2148
01:33:43,270 --> 01:33:41,600
single cyberattack when the chaos from

2149
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any one of these threats arises the

2150
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government knows it can't provide during

2151
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a widespread national emergency that's

2152
01:33:51,730 --> 01:33:48,970
why you need your own plan for

2153
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self-reliance that's where my Patriot

2154
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2155
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2156
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2157
01:34:04,810 --> 01:34:02,930
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2158
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2159
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2160
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lasts up to 25 years from my Patriot

2161
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2164
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2165
01:34:25,900 --> 01:34:24,170
generation time after time after time if

2166
01:34:33,099 --> 01:34:25,910
you follow the money then you understand

2167
01:34:36,819 --> 01:34:35,109
do 911 either you fighting a war on

2168
01:34:39,310 --> 01:34:36,829
terror and that was then you go into

2169
01:34:41,589 --> 01:34:39,320
Iraq which was another lie just before

2170
01:34:44,649 --> 01:34:41,599
open people's eyes pre-order now get

2171
01:34:55,270 --> 01:34:44,659
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2172
01:34:56,199 --> 01:34:55,280
Sam book calm this is Mike to hang to

2173
01:34:58,389 --> 01:34:56,209
the gray alien report and you're

2174
01:35:00,330 --> 01:34:58,399
listening to the para cast the gold

2175
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:00,340
standard of paranormal radio

2176
01:35:11,420 --> 01:35:08,570
[Music]

2177
01:35:14,600 --> 01:35:11,430
so we have da nekaris guest co-host

2178
01:35:17,270 --> 01:35:14,610
again come Jean Steinberg Ben moss and

2179
01:35:20,690 --> 01:35:17,280
Tony angioma join us from Virginia

2180
01:35:22,730 --> 01:35:20,700
Friends of race Stanford by the way I

2181
01:35:25,370 --> 01:35:22,740
realized here we're talking to two

2182
01:35:27,970 --> 01:35:25,380
people together here and maybe people

2183
01:35:31,160 --> 01:35:27,980
don't recognize the difference in voices

2184
01:35:34,190 --> 01:35:31,170
nobody confuses me with done or anybody

2185
01:35:43,460 --> 01:35:34,200
on this planet been say a word or two so

2186
01:35:46,280 --> 01:35:43,470
our listeners recognize you again deeper

2187
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:46,290
more I guess nasally voice and I have a

2188
01:36:02,800 --> 01:35:49,890
kind of a I guess a higher pitch so this

2189
01:36:15,800 --> 01:36:09,800
dude movie Big Lebowski how you

2190
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:15,810
recommend the dude accrues I will not

2191
01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:18,930
even attempt to figure that out we're

2192
01:36:22,370 --> 01:36:19,410
too busy

2193
01:36:27,080 --> 01:36:22,380
yeah I'm Eliot I love Sam Elliot oh my

2194
01:36:30,020 --> 01:36:27,090
lord he was great the lonesome cowboy

2195
01:36:32,210 --> 01:36:30,030
I'm a big Jeff Bridges fan too I've

2196
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:32,220
watched his career for a long time and

2197
01:36:40,130 --> 01:36:36,290
he's just a excellent actor star man

2198
01:36:41,900 --> 01:36:40,140
yeah yeah he's one my favorite movies

2199
01:36:44,840 --> 01:36:41,910
because it's yeah just well written

2200
01:36:48,650 --> 01:36:44,850
funny but I'll tell you guys you want to

2201
01:36:52,220 --> 01:36:48,660
see a movie that will knock you on your

2202
01:36:54,950 --> 01:36:52,230
heels okay and it has the added benefit

2203
01:36:57,560 --> 01:36:54,960
of being associated with this topic as a

2204
01:37:00,020 --> 01:36:57,570
matter of fact I just upon on my radio

2205
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:00,030
fan page the Dark Matters radio fan page

2206
01:37:07,100 --> 01:37:03,690
on Facebook I put a short little article

2207
01:37:10,190 --> 01:37:07,110
review on this film and I I highly

2208
01:37:13,130 --> 01:37:10,200
recommend anybody that hasn't seen it to

2209
01:37:16,580 --> 01:37:13,140
see it it's called the objective and

2210
01:37:19,670 --> 01:37:16,590
it's the immediate aftermath of the

2211
01:37:22,010 --> 01:37:19,680
events following 9/11 the

2212
01:37:25,940 --> 01:37:22,020
9/11 attacks where the Central

2213
01:37:30,290 --> 01:37:25,950
Intelligence Agency and a you know got

2214
01:37:32,930 --> 01:37:30,300
data from an American spy satellite that

2215
01:37:35,830 --> 01:37:32,940
seemed to show the possibility of

2216
01:37:39,020 --> 01:37:35,840
nuclear material in the mountains of

2217
01:37:42,770 --> 01:37:39,030
Afghanistan and the CIA sent in an

2218
01:37:46,850 --> 01:37:42,780
officer with a Special Forces team to

2219
01:37:51,320 --> 01:37:46,860
track this down and what transpired

2220
01:37:53,870 --> 01:37:51,330
after they entered this area and let me

2221
01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:53,880
just say one word that should resonate

2222
01:38:00,830 --> 01:37:56,850
with everybody one of the things they

2223
01:38:03,170 --> 01:38:00,840
think they found were amana's and my

2224
01:38:04,910 --> 01:38:03,180
heaven what what is it what a movie what

2225
01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:04,920
a story if you guys haven't seen it

2226
01:38:12,260 --> 01:38:09,450
check it out the objective I'll look it

2227
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:12,270
up as we continue with this let me ask

2228
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:15,450
you a question Ben and Tony because we

2229
01:38:23,780 --> 01:38:18,320
kind of hinted at it like for example

2230
01:38:25,820 --> 01:38:23,790
whether the cash Landrum object was

2231
01:38:28,190 --> 01:38:25,830
attempted reverse engineering

2232
01:38:30,380 --> 01:38:28,200
alien technology and by the way Rick

2233
01:38:36,110 --> 01:38:30,390
Doty believes that I don't know if you

2234
01:38:39,400 --> 01:38:36,120
guys know who Rick Doty is we don't know

2235
01:38:42,380 --> 01:38:39,410
about to brag but I read everything and

2236
01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:42,390
you know I've seen all the documentaries

2237
01:38:46,730 --> 01:38:44,490
and so does Tony so we're pretty

2238
01:38:49,610 --> 01:38:46,740
well-versed in the history of apology

2239
01:38:52,970 --> 01:38:49,620
well Rick Doty is probably them one of

2240
01:38:55,520 --> 01:38:52,980
them curious or more curious guests

2241
01:38:57,220 --> 01:38:55,530
we've had the power cast I worked on him

2242
01:39:00,080 --> 01:38:57,230
to get him on the show for over 10 years

2243
01:39:03,230 --> 01:39:00,090
and finally got him on just a few weeks

2244
01:39:04,580 --> 01:39:03,240
ago but it was really really touch and

2245
01:39:05,810 --> 01:39:04,590
go for a while and then he seemed to

2246
01:39:07,310 --> 01:39:05,820
like it so maybe we'll get him back

2247
01:39:13,130 --> 01:39:07,320
maybe we'll have him on with Walter

2248
01:39:16,160 --> 01:39:13,140
Bosley to former AAF OSI agents pitted

2249
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:16,170
against one another that will be

2250
01:39:21,220 --> 01:39:17,010
fascinating

2251
01:39:24,250 --> 01:39:21,230
all right so cash Landrum craft possible

2252
01:39:26,930 --> 01:39:24,260
reverse-engineered effort I don't know I

2253
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:26,940
kinda think that alien technology would

2254
01:39:32,300 --> 01:39:29,610
be so far advanced we still couldn't

2255
01:39:33,379 --> 01:39:32,310
make head or tails maybe get the

2256
01:39:35,779 --> 01:39:33,389
scientists from and

2257
01:39:39,739 --> 01:39:35,789
pendens day you know the guy played data

2258
01:39:42,199 --> 01:39:39,749
on Star Trek generations well get him to

2259
01:39:45,109 --> 01:39:42,209
do it he'll figure it out now seriously

2260
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:45,119
speaking here how much in the early days

2261
01:39:53,929 --> 01:39:48,530
of UFO field do you think did involve

2262
01:39:57,459 --> 01:39:53,939
something in terms of test aircraft yeah

2263
01:40:04,959 --> 01:39:57,469
there's a lot there Socorro is not one

2264
01:40:10,819 --> 01:40:08,270
there's so many cases well there's a lot

2265
01:40:13,310 --> 01:40:10,829
of you know the the b-1 bomber when that

2266
01:40:16,040 --> 01:40:13,320
was flown since secret it was mistaken

2267
01:40:18,370 --> 01:40:16,050
stealth aircraft of those sake and the

2268
01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:18,380
interesting thing to do we've we've done

2269
01:40:24,649 --> 01:40:21,090
we've done it we need to do more but is

2270
01:40:27,649 --> 01:40:24,659
to apply new technology to old film and

2271
01:40:30,020 --> 01:40:27,659
photographs and there's the Trent photos

2272
01:40:33,169 --> 01:40:30,030
a classic you know raid don't work on

2273
01:40:35,540 --> 01:40:33,179
that and we replicated it if you look at

2274
01:40:37,549 --> 01:40:35,550
the famous Trent photograph there's some

2275
01:40:39,290 --> 01:40:37,559
type of down flow under that thing in

2276
01:40:40,759 --> 01:40:39,300
the original picture and when you do

2277
01:40:43,969 --> 01:40:40,769
just contrast a little bit there's

2278
01:40:46,549 --> 01:40:43,979
clearly up a vortex underneath that crap

2279
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:46,559
and it is a little bit further away in

2280
01:40:49,819 --> 01:40:48,090
the second fixed year I don't buy for a

2281
01:40:51,319 --> 01:40:49,829
second that that thing was hanging from

2282
01:40:56,259 --> 01:40:51,329
the telephone wire but it's one of the

2283
01:40:59,000 --> 01:40:56,269
most famous pictures and men's old days

2284
01:41:00,889 --> 01:40:59,010
yeah and when the thing tilted towards

2285
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:00,899
them the Trent said it tilted tourism

2286
01:41:03,469 --> 01:41:02,249
may have hit for the glass to heat and

2287
01:41:05,389 --> 01:41:03,479
if that was some type of plasma or

2288
01:41:07,449 --> 01:41:05,399
something that would make sense the

2289
01:41:09,679 --> 01:41:07,459
thing is interesting about that case is

2290
01:41:11,899 --> 01:41:09,689
nobody would have thought to do that if

2291
01:41:13,879 --> 01:41:11,909
they hopes that photograph nobody would

2292
01:41:16,459 --> 01:41:13,889
have thought to put this this very

2293
01:41:17,779 --> 01:41:16,469
obvious war text that emanates from the

2294
01:41:20,359 --> 01:41:17,789
bottom of the craft all the way to the

2295
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:20,369
ground like a like a tornado but it

2296
01:41:24,679 --> 01:41:22,050
appears to be some type of function of

2297
01:41:25,909 --> 01:41:24,689
propulsion so there's that other famous

2298
01:41:28,040 --> 01:41:25,919
picture I can't remember

2299
01:41:30,649 --> 01:41:28,050
Raziel Argentina of a white missile

2300
01:41:33,709 --> 01:41:30,659
shaped object crossing the sky with a

2301
01:41:38,270 --> 01:41:33,719
big trail behind it and it looks human

2302
01:41:41,719 --> 01:41:38,280
but it's from 52 it's got no stabilizing

2303
01:41:43,069 --> 01:41:41,729
fins or anything on it this exhaust out

2304
01:41:45,500 --> 01:41:43,079
the back doesn't look like a typical

2305
01:41:46,610 --> 01:41:45,510
compulsion engine but in the photograph

2306
01:41:48,500 --> 01:41:46,620
it's going over a river

2307
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:48,510
and then the river is a pretty clear

2308
01:41:52,040 --> 01:41:50,010
reflection of the craft and another

2309
01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:52,050
thing that I don't think a hoax would

2310
01:41:56,090 --> 01:41:54,330
think of so there is evidence of these

2311
01:41:58,220 --> 01:41:56,100
really weird things flying around but

2312
01:42:00,290 --> 01:41:58,230
it's really hard to say where they came

2313
01:42:04,660 --> 01:42:00,300
from or if they were test aircraft I

2314
01:42:07,940 --> 01:42:04,670
know that there's a former director of

2315
01:42:10,550 --> 01:42:07,950
MUFON James carrion who wrote a book

2316
01:42:14,570 --> 01:42:10,560
called the Rosetta deception suggesting

2317
01:42:18,380 --> 01:42:14,580
the ghost lights were something to spook

2318
01:42:20,620 --> 01:42:18,390
the Russians and he was I guess supposed

2319
01:42:22,880 --> 01:42:20,630
to do a book called the Roswell

2320
01:42:26,090 --> 01:42:22,890
deception but doesn't seem to have ever

2321
01:42:33,830 --> 01:42:26,100
finished it what's your perception and

2322
01:42:37,670 --> 01:42:33,840
as much as he's a former MUFON guy the

2323
01:42:38,570 --> 01:42:37,680
ghost lights he goes rockets that was in

2324
01:42:42,140 --> 01:42:38,580
Sweden right

2325
01:42:44,990 --> 01:42:42,150
I don't you know I don't buy that theory

2326
01:42:49,220 --> 01:42:45,000
I think that the one photograph that was

2327
01:42:50,990 --> 01:42:49,230
said to be a meteorite could be but I

2328
01:42:53,360 --> 01:42:51,000
think Lincoln opposed the meteorite

2329
01:42:55,580 --> 01:42:53,370
specialists saw the those saw the ghost

2330
01:42:58,570 --> 01:42:55,590
rockets when and I think they were

2331
01:43:05,120 --> 01:42:58,580
happening in New Mexico at the time also

2332
01:43:08,050 --> 01:43:05,130
so I think that was maybe a an event you

2333
01:43:11,450 --> 01:43:08,060
know just a meteorite event or maybe

2334
01:43:13,070 --> 01:43:11,460
maybe a lot of them I don't know if that

2335
01:43:17,540 --> 01:43:13,080
was anything unusual it might just been

2336
01:43:20,180 --> 01:43:17,550
some unusual natural phenomena no these

2337
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:20,190
are these are like rockets basically

2338
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:22,650
there were a lot of cases in Sweden I

2339
01:43:26,420 --> 01:43:24,210
know where these things seem to fall in

2340
01:43:28,670 --> 01:43:26,430
the water but they couldn't find them so

2341
01:43:30,500 --> 01:43:28,680
without great photographs you really

2342
01:43:32,450 --> 01:43:30,510
know photographs of those objects

2343
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:32,460
they're just stories and it's really

2344
01:43:40,460 --> 01:43:35,360
hard to get anything else out of them

2345
01:43:44,270 --> 01:43:40,470
but general Doolittle Jimmy Doolittle

2346
01:43:48,140 --> 01:43:44,280
did go over there in 46 or 47 to

2347
01:43:50,600 --> 01:43:48,150
investigate that and I think it's highly

2348
01:43:52,190 --> 01:43:50,610
unlikely the government the American

2349
01:43:54,830 --> 01:43:52,200
government would have sent him over

2350
01:43:58,220 --> 01:43:54,840
there at the very tail end of the Second

2351
01:43:59,520 --> 01:43:58,230
World War if something wasn't in fact

2352
01:44:03,029 --> 01:43:59,530
being

2353
01:44:05,100 --> 01:44:03,039
seen and cited over there yeah I think

2354
01:44:06,750 --> 01:44:05,110
there was something unusual was

2355
01:44:09,540 --> 01:44:06,760
occurring and we certainly were

2356
01:44:11,879 --> 01:44:09,550
interested in it I just does it doesn't

2357
01:44:13,919 --> 01:44:11,889
seem to be enough data to support that

2358
01:44:16,680 --> 01:44:13,929
you can make a conclusion one way or

2359
01:44:19,379 --> 01:44:16,690
another I mean if there was footage or

2360
01:44:22,020 --> 01:44:19,389
multiple photographs but I've only seen

2361
01:44:24,450 --> 01:44:22,030
one or two photographs of the object and

2362
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:24,460
with the amount of times that supposedly

2363
01:44:28,529 --> 01:44:26,650
occurred it seems like somebody else

2364
01:44:31,950 --> 01:44:28,539
would have taken some pictures maybe

2365
01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:31,960
they're just not public yeah it's kind

2366
01:44:39,299 --> 01:44:34,690
of like the Foo Fighter phenomenon there

2367
01:44:44,129 --> 01:44:39,309
are a few that that came out after the

2368
01:44:46,500 --> 01:44:44,139
war was over but a lot of bomber pilots

2369
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:46,510
in in those bombers streams when they

2370
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:49,360
were still in the process of dropping

2371
01:44:56,430 --> 01:44:52,570
bombs all over Germany they were

2372
01:45:00,779 --> 01:44:56,440
encountering something and those records

2373
01:45:02,910 --> 01:45:00,789
were classified at the time and some of

2374
01:45:05,459 --> 01:45:02,920
them of course later on were released

2375
01:45:07,979 --> 01:45:05,469
but yeah there was something very very

2376
01:45:11,490 --> 01:45:07,989
well you know it's true guys I mean

2377
01:45:14,180 --> 01:45:11,500
let's let's take a look at it we take a

2378
01:45:17,910 --> 01:45:14,190
look at that let's take a look at this

2379
01:45:28,690 --> 01:45:17,920
Ben moss Tony Angela Don Ecker Jean

2380
01:45:37,139 --> 01:45:32,609
thank you for listening to GCN

2381
01:45:39,359 --> 01:45:37,149
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2387
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2388
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2389
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2390
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2428
01:47:52,680 --> 01:47:48,790
welcome back to to the para cast the

2429
01:48:01,770 --> 01:47:52,690
gold standard of paranormal radio and

2430
01:48:04,650 --> 01:48:01,780
now here's Jane Steinberg you see you've

2431
01:48:08,370 --> 01:48:04,660
taken a look at it I don't know done why

2432
01:48:10,980 --> 01:48:08,380
don't you continue yeah you know at the

2433
01:48:13,200 --> 01:48:10,990
end of the war of course allied bomber

2434
01:48:18,600 --> 01:48:13,210
pilots and not only the Allies but also

2435
01:48:21,630 --> 01:48:18,610
the the axis pilots were witnessing

2436
01:48:23,250 --> 01:48:21,640
strange phenomenon in the air now there

2437
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:23,260
have been many stories that have come

2438
01:48:30,210 --> 01:48:26,320
out at the end of the war about things

2439
01:48:32,610 --> 01:48:30,220
like de clock the Bell okay a secret

2440
01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:32,620
project that nobody really knows what

2441
01:48:36,900 --> 01:48:34,510
that what the Germans were working on

2442
01:48:40,640 --> 01:48:36,910
been a lot of speculation but things

2443
01:48:43,230 --> 01:48:40,650
were being seen things were happening

2444
01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:43,240
unexplainable things even today all

2445
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:45,610
these years later but the point that i

2446
01:48:52,470 --> 01:48:48,970
wanted to bring up is that whatever the

2447
01:48:56,010 --> 01:48:52,480
phenomenon is has always taken an

2448
01:48:58,260 --> 01:48:56,020
inordinate amount of interest in areas

2449
01:49:01,230 --> 01:48:58,270
where human conflict is ongoing

2450
01:49:03,660 --> 01:49:01,240
it happened in the Second World War it

2451
01:49:06,570 --> 01:49:03,670
happened again all over the Korean

2452
01:49:09,750 --> 01:49:06,580
Peninsula during the Korean conflict it

2453
01:49:13,080 --> 01:49:09,760
happened in Vietnam then later on in the

2454
01:49:16,380 --> 01:49:13,090
Gulf during the Gulf War unexplained

2455
01:49:20,190 --> 01:49:16,390
objects were being seen and later in

2456
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:20,200
Iraq and Afghanistan perhaps even Syria

2457
01:49:26,010 --> 01:49:23,170
so what do you guys think about that

2458
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:26,020
have you ever taken a look at any of

2459
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:29,650
this and come to any conclusions well

2460
01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:31,840
there's not much to look at you know

2461
01:49:36,900 --> 01:49:33,610
there's not a lot of evidence in that

2462
01:49:39,450 --> 01:49:36,910
regard but we are friends with a former

2463
01:49:42,780 --> 01:49:39,460
mayor of a small town in Virginia who

2464
01:49:47,580 --> 01:49:42,790
was that it was creating

2465
01:49:49,320 --> 01:49:47,590
and he was guarding he's doing some duty

2466
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:49,330
ground duty guard he's a gunner

2467
01:49:53,550 --> 01:49:51,730
basically as the job was to shoot any

2468
01:49:55,860 --> 01:49:53,560
enemy you know cleans it into their

2469
01:49:58,110 --> 01:49:55,870
airspace so on this one particular day I

2470
01:49:59,610 --> 01:49:58,120
think was near later later in the day

2471
01:50:02,690 --> 01:49:59,620
probably on the order

2472
01:50:06,150 --> 01:50:02,700
yeah the border this this bright glowing

2473
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:06,160
magnificent plasma you know orange

2474
01:50:10,980 --> 01:50:08,410
reddish orange likes like the colorless

2475
01:50:13,560 --> 01:50:10,990
Sun so to speak I'm just flying overhead

2476
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:13,570
and stops and then makes a right angle

2477
01:50:18,480 --> 01:50:15,370
turn and stops again and then it just

2478
01:50:20,700 --> 01:50:18,490
takes off and he was blown away he runs

2479
01:50:22,470 --> 01:50:20,710
into the to the radar booth to see if

2480
01:50:24,780 --> 01:50:22,480
they actually caught on radar it wasn't

2481
01:50:27,660 --> 01:50:24,790
there he didn't tell anybody for a while

2482
01:50:29,820 --> 01:50:27,670
talked to his buddy at a bar later and

2483
01:50:31,260 --> 01:50:29,830
told him and his buddies suggestion was

2484
01:50:33,780 --> 01:50:31,270
don't tell anybody are you gonna be

2485
01:50:36,990 --> 01:50:33,790
scrubbing toilets for a while so it was

2486
01:50:39,330 --> 01:50:37,000
very much a hush-hush thing I would go

2487
01:50:40,890 --> 01:50:39,340
back back in the day and they hear him

2488
01:50:42,660 --> 01:50:40,900
tell the story you can almost you know

2489
01:50:45,570 --> 01:50:42,670
see the hairs on his arm just standing

2490
01:50:47,880 --> 01:50:45,580
up or those things like that when you

2491
01:50:49,710 --> 01:50:47,890
get you know really respectable people

2492
01:50:52,110 --> 01:50:49,720
climbing some making stories about

2493
01:50:54,060 --> 01:50:52,120
things that they witnessed that when it

2494
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:54,070
comes to hit such a historical case like

2495
01:50:57,060 --> 01:50:55,360
you're mentioning with Foo Fighters and

2496
01:50:59,220 --> 01:50:57,070
things in the war we don't really have

2497
01:51:01,530 --> 01:50:59,230
that direct evidence to look at it's all

2498
01:51:03,510 --> 01:51:01,540
you have ins or testimony so you want

2499
01:51:06,180 --> 01:51:03,520
someone who's probably credible and sing

2500
01:51:09,480 --> 01:51:06,190
at the same time well there's very very

2501
01:51:12,840 --> 01:51:09,490
little direct evidence on any of this if

2502
01:51:14,970 --> 01:51:12,850
you get right down to it other than for

2503
01:51:17,910 --> 01:51:14,980
the most part other than testimony

2504
01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:17,920
witness testimony the government has

2505
01:51:23,970 --> 01:51:21,250
always been stingy on releasing any

2506
01:51:26,670 --> 01:51:23,980
records documents radar tapes or

2507
01:51:28,650 --> 01:51:26,680
anything else about this phenomenon it's

2508
01:51:35,100 --> 01:51:28,660
not to say that it's never happened it

2509
01:51:37,260 --> 01:51:35,110
has but very rarely yeah theory on the

2510
01:51:39,360 --> 01:51:37,270
whole Foo Fighters has a little bit more

2511
01:51:41,910 --> 01:51:39,370
evidence there's a several pictures

2512
01:51:43,500 --> 01:51:41,920
there's some footage you know Foo

2513
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:43,510
Fighters were one of two things there

2514
01:51:48,180 --> 01:51:46,000
were these plasma tight balls that we

2515
01:51:51,540 --> 01:51:48,190
actually fly through and they were these

2516
01:51:54,420 --> 01:51:51,550
dull gray metallic looking spheres that

2517
01:51:55,810 --> 01:51:54,430
there's a few photographs of but you

2518
01:51:59,020 --> 01:51:55,820
know I think that if

2519
01:52:01,210 --> 01:51:59,030
if there's a civilization watching us a

2520
01:52:03,010 --> 01:52:01,220
good reason to watch us is because we're

2521
01:52:05,380 --> 01:52:03,020
starting to travel space and we're still

2522
01:52:07,210 --> 01:52:05,390
killing each other so one of the things

2523
01:52:10,390 --> 01:52:07,220
they would do is have a great interest

2524
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:10,400
in being close to watched all of our

2525
01:52:16,060 --> 01:52:13,970
wars so a history of UFOs during wartime

2526
01:52:18,880 --> 01:52:16,070
would make sense if they're kind of

2527
01:52:20,920 --> 01:52:18,890
keeping an eye on us just to understand

2528
01:52:22,390 --> 01:52:20,930
the behavior and you know probably kind

2529
01:52:24,580 --> 01:52:22,400
of figure out why we're still acting

2530
01:52:27,250 --> 01:52:24,590
this way and make sure we don't get out

2531
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:27,260
too far into space without a heads-up I

2532
01:52:30,970 --> 01:52:29,570
mean that if they're here that would be

2533
01:52:33,310 --> 01:52:30,980
a good reason to be here it's because

2534
01:52:36,130 --> 01:52:33,320
they gotta watch the small children and

2535
01:52:38,890 --> 01:52:36,140
the average is the Milky Way galaxy that

2536
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:38,900
are misbehaving I was let me let me ask

2537
01:52:44,290 --> 01:52:41,450
a question because what you just said

2538
01:52:49,210 --> 01:52:44,300
kind of sparked something in my mind

2539
01:52:52,150 --> 01:52:49,220
over the last 25 30 years I've engaged

2540
01:52:57,180 --> 01:52:52,160
in various conversations with many

2541
01:53:01,200 --> 01:52:57,190
people regarding the intentions of the

2542
01:53:03,520 --> 01:53:01,210
quote-unquote space brothers okay

2543
01:53:07,600 --> 01:53:03,530
something that that I've always had a

2544
01:53:10,620 --> 01:53:07,610
problem with just from our own history

2545
01:53:13,960 --> 01:53:10,630
we can take a look and and look at any

2546
01:53:17,140 --> 01:53:13,970
civilization on this planet that had

2547
01:53:19,600 --> 01:53:17,150
their explorers their Explorer class

2548
01:53:22,270 --> 01:53:19,610
people that were willing to go out and

2549
01:53:24,580 --> 01:53:22,280
see what what was on the other side of

2550
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:24,590
the hill or the other side of the ocean

2551
01:53:30,970 --> 01:53:28,250
and by varying the very nature of that

2552
01:53:32,760 --> 01:53:30,980
they were aggressive had to be I mean

2553
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:32,770
look at what happened when Columbus

2554
01:53:39,940 --> 01:53:36,170
ended up discovering the so-called new

2555
01:53:41,890 --> 01:53:39,950
world okay and we've seen that play out

2556
01:53:45,150 --> 01:53:41,900
in the news in the last couple of years

2557
01:53:49,980 --> 01:53:45,160
with today's additional social

2558
01:53:54,580 --> 01:53:49,990
consciousness now is it naive to believe

2559
01:53:56,190 --> 01:53:54,590
that if in fact there are ETS out there

2560
01:53:59,620 --> 01:53:56,200
that's what we're talking about

2561
01:54:04,750 --> 01:53:59,630
extraterrestrials that they would be any

2562
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:04,760
less aggressive exploring the cosmos we

2563
01:54:08,970 --> 01:54:06,890
have no idea what's out there and

2564
01:54:11,850 --> 01:54:08,980
chances are

2565
01:54:13,530 --> 01:54:11,860
the way they operate it's probably not a

2566
01:54:15,480 --> 01:54:13,540
heck of a lot different than the way

2567
01:54:18,570 --> 01:54:15,490
we've operated right here on the planet

2568
01:54:22,110 --> 01:54:18,580
now what what do you feel about that do

2569
01:54:25,980 --> 01:54:22,120
you think these so-called space beings

2570
01:54:28,860 --> 01:54:25,990
would be any less aggressive or their

2571
01:54:31,910 --> 01:54:28,870
motives would be any less than what

2572
01:54:35,730 --> 01:54:31,920
we've demonstrated as human beings I

2573
01:54:38,160 --> 01:54:35,740
think that looking at ourselves and

2574
01:54:39,810 --> 01:54:38,170
seeing both good and bad on our planet

2575
01:54:42,990 --> 01:54:39,820
it's probably getting bad everywhere

2576
01:54:45,030 --> 01:54:43,000
right I think that whatever is watching

2577
01:54:50,940 --> 01:54:45,040
us must be good because we're still

2578
01:54:53,280 --> 01:54:50,950
alive you know otherwise why they they

2579
01:54:57,240 --> 01:54:53,290
don't want to mess up the roast okay

2580
01:55:00,420 --> 01:54:57,250
before it's done there's two ways to

2581
01:55:04,950 --> 01:55:00,430
look at reference or Twilight Zone

2582
01:55:07,950 --> 01:55:04,960
that's a serve man I think that if they

2583
01:55:11,040 --> 01:55:07,960
you know they're I guess you know it's

2584
01:55:13,170 --> 01:55:11,050
almost like with the Drake Equation part

2585
01:55:14,310 --> 01:55:13,180
of that equation might be if you're

2586
01:55:16,200 --> 01:55:14,320
trying to figure out whether they're

2587
01:55:18,990 --> 01:55:16,210
going to be good or bad if a

2588
01:55:21,780 --> 01:55:19,000
civilization survives its own atomic age

2589
01:55:24,390 --> 01:55:21,790
and its own you know beating on each

2590
01:55:25,560 --> 01:55:24,400
other to travel space and maybe they're

2591
01:55:27,360 --> 01:55:25,570
more enlightened and they're more

2592
01:55:29,250 --> 01:55:27,370
compassionate and they just observing

2593
01:55:31,890 --> 01:55:29,260
they have a prime directive not to

2594
01:55:34,110 --> 01:55:31,900
interfere or two maybe interfere things

2595
01:55:36,950 --> 01:55:34,120
aren't really bad but it also assumes

2596
01:55:41,460 --> 01:55:36,960
you survive your class you know that if

2597
01:55:43,560 --> 01:55:41,470
if the supernova caldera and the Midwest

2598
01:55:45,480 --> 01:55:43,570
blows you know that might end all

2599
01:55:46,740 --> 01:55:45,490
civilization so there's a lot of things

2600
01:55:48,120 --> 01:55:46,750
you got to survive to be able to travel

2601
01:55:50,940 --> 01:55:48,130
space and we only know if we're gonna

2602
01:55:52,620 --> 01:55:50,950
survive ourselves before we get out of

2603
01:55:54,330 --> 01:55:52,630
the solar system it's you know as

2604
01:55:57,450 --> 01:55:54,340
Hawkins would say it's it's not a good

2605
01:55:59,490 --> 01:55:57,460
bet right now so the other thing I want

2606
01:56:01,050 --> 01:55:59,500
to just mention was that kind of like

2607
01:56:03,300 --> 01:56:01,060
what we're doing if there's a

2608
01:56:05,130 --> 01:56:03,310
civilization coming here from a good

2609
01:56:06,420 --> 01:56:05,140
distance away and maybe figured out the

2610
01:56:08,310 --> 01:56:06,430
speed of light but it still takes some

2611
01:56:11,060 --> 01:56:08,320
time most of these things that are

2612
01:56:14,580 --> 01:56:11,070
coming could just be a mechanical

2613
01:56:17,130 --> 01:56:14,590
synthetic or maybe grown or college or

2614
01:56:19,980 --> 01:56:17,140
something to survive you know what long

2615
01:56:22,020 --> 01:56:19,990
times in space like we do you know we're

2616
01:56:24,390 --> 01:56:22,030
sending robots to Mars but will not send

2617
01:56:27,060 --> 01:56:24,400
people yet so the further you go the

2618
01:56:29,549 --> 01:56:27,070
more you might be since any not quite

2619
01:56:31,919 --> 01:56:29,559
sentient beans or maybe created beans or

2620
01:56:34,500 --> 01:56:31,929
robots or things like that and a lot of

2621
01:56:36,479 --> 01:56:34,510
these UFO cases seem to be so bizarre

2622
01:56:38,549 --> 01:56:36,489
that that's what you're dealing with

2623
01:56:41,100 --> 01:56:38,559
some type of machine that can think for

2624
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itself maybe as AI but still a machine

2625
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we're gonna have another machine that

2626
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dawn and Ben and Tony joining us this

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02:03:03,400 --> 02:02:59,570
week talking about a wide variety of

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subjects related to UFOs Don you want to

2759
02:03:09,700 --> 02:03:06,470
follow up yeah gentlemen you are

2760
02:03:15,250 --> 02:03:09,710
familiar I am positive sure of the Fermi

2761
02:03:19,740 --> 02:03:15,260
paradox right yeah okay Enrico Fermi one

2762
02:03:23,170 --> 02:03:19,750
of the fathers of the hydrogen warhead

2763
02:03:26,290 --> 02:03:23,180
back in the very early 50s was having

2764
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lunch and was some with some pals

2765
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somebody's other physicists scientists

2766
02:03:36,250 --> 02:03:32,480
and one of them at that time top news

2767
02:03:38,620 --> 02:03:36,260
stories on the radio because this was

2768
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actually a little before commercial TV

2769
02:03:45,340 --> 02:03:42,890
was all the rage across the country was

2770
02:03:47,950 --> 02:03:45,350
flying saucers a lot of flying saucer

2771
02:03:50,290 --> 02:03:47,960
reports were being reported in the news

2772
02:03:53,170 --> 02:03:50,300
and on the radio and in newspapers and

2773
02:03:56,290 --> 02:03:53,180
they were chatting about that and firme

2774
02:03:59,700 --> 02:03:56,300
came up with a very fascinating question

2775
02:04:03,670 --> 02:03:59,710
well if it's real where are

2776
02:04:05,680 --> 02:04:03,680
now he sat down and calculated even at

2777
02:04:09,100 --> 02:04:05,690
sublight speed

2778
02:04:11,980 --> 02:04:09,110
okay the age of our galaxy

2779
02:04:16,440 --> 02:04:11,990
okay the Milky Way which they figured

2780
02:04:19,390 --> 02:04:16,450
around 8 billion years if there were

2781
02:04:22,510 --> 02:04:19,400
cultures that that developed some type

2782
02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:22,520
of star flight they could have over the

2783
02:04:28,840 --> 02:04:25,690
course of just several million years

2784
02:04:31,150 --> 02:04:28,850
several million years as opposed to

2785
02:04:35,080 --> 02:04:31,160
billion they could have colonized

2786
02:04:38,350 --> 02:04:35,090
throughout the entire galaxy now there's

2787
02:04:41,920 --> 02:04:38,360
absolutely no evidence that that

2788
02:04:43,810 --> 02:04:41,930
happened and we've been running SETI

2789
02:04:48,850 --> 02:04:43,820
searches the search for extraterrestrial

2790
02:04:52,720 --> 02:04:48,860
intelligence radio SETI we've been

2791
02:04:57,040 --> 02:04:52,730
looking for over 60 years

2792
02:04:58,870 --> 02:04:57,050
and have not yet detected anything for

2793
02:05:01,690 --> 02:04:58,880
sure all there have been a couple of a

2794
02:05:04,450 --> 02:05:01,700
couple of blips but they've never been

2795
02:05:09,340 --> 02:05:04,460
repeated which the SETI scientists says

2796
02:05:13,690 --> 02:05:09,350
has to be done so another theory was

2797
02:05:19,270 --> 02:05:13,700
then developed what if there is a race

2798
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:19,280
or a Society of extraterrestrials that

2799
02:05:28,120 --> 02:05:23,450
are xenophobic to the point where if

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02:05:31,080 --> 02:05:28,130
they discover a civilization on the rise

2801
02:05:34,800 --> 02:05:31,090
to prevent any possible future

2802
02:05:37,150 --> 02:05:34,810
repercussions they'll wipe it out now

2803
02:05:40,390 --> 02:05:37,160
you think about that that's that's

2804
02:05:42,070 --> 02:05:40,400
frightening have you guys ever

2805
02:05:46,540 --> 02:05:42,080
considered that have you ever taken a

2806
02:05:49,270 --> 02:05:46,550
look at anything like that well the

2807
02:05:53,200 --> 02:05:49,280
bigger picture the paradox is certainly

2808
02:05:55,630 --> 02:05:53,210
that you know I think that was 1954

2809
02:05:57,340 --> 02:05:55,640
believer 52 that he came out with that I

2810
02:06:00,130 --> 02:05:57,350
think there's more evidence now that

2811
02:06:01,660 --> 02:06:00,140
we're dealing with a lot of planets

2812
02:06:03,700 --> 02:06:01,670
there's what four hundred billion stars

2813
02:06:05,440 --> 02:06:03,710
in the Milky Way galaxy but we think

2814
02:06:09,460 --> 02:06:05,450
there could be up to two trillion

2815
02:06:12,550 --> 02:06:09,470
galaxies so if life isn't you know isn't

2816
02:06:13,330 --> 02:06:12,560
quite as tenacious as we think it surely

2817
02:06:16,540 --> 02:06:13,340
would make sense

2818
02:06:19,060 --> 02:06:16,550
that they might miss us or they might

2819
02:06:21,670 --> 02:06:19,070
have come but nobody's accepting the

2820
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:21,680
evidence they've come here so I don't

2821
02:06:25,450 --> 02:06:23,930
know you know if they're extremely

2822
02:06:27,010 --> 02:06:25,460
advanced they have some kind of prime

2823
02:06:28,450 --> 02:06:27,020
directive they could be all around us

2824
02:06:29,950 --> 02:06:28,460
all the time and we wouldn't know it

2825
02:06:33,100 --> 02:06:29,960
because the technology would be such

2826
02:06:36,370 --> 02:06:33,110
that they could do that so what is a

2827
02:06:37,870 --> 02:06:36,380
cloaking device exactly or something

2828
02:06:39,550 --> 02:06:37,880
maybe you know slip into a fourth

2829
02:06:41,590 --> 02:06:39,560
dimension and be right there beside you

2830
02:06:43,210 --> 02:06:41,600
but not interacting with you because

2831
02:06:46,330 --> 02:06:43,220
they're on a different vibrational plane

2832
02:06:48,040 --> 02:06:46,340
or an energy plane you know once you

2833
02:06:49,900 --> 02:06:48,050
start digging in the strength area which

2834
02:06:52,720 --> 02:06:49,910
I have it gets really weird you know

2835
02:06:55,390 --> 02:06:52,730
with the quantum entanglement and all of

2836
02:06:58,630 --> 02:06:55,400
that there's so many weird things that

2837
02:07:01,960 --> 02:06:58,640
can happen it just seems like the Fermi

2838
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:01,970
paradox might not be accurate because we

2839
02:07:05,440 --> 02:07:03,290
don't know what intelligent

2840
02:07:08,440 --> 02:07:05,450
extraterrestrial life would look like we

2841
02:07:10,180 --> 02:07:08,450
can speculate it what's interesting is

2842
02:07:11,680 --> 02:07:10,190
they they seem to have two arms and two

2843
02:07:14,110 --> 02:07:11,690
legs and people say that that wouldn't

2844
02:07:15,910 --> 02:07:14,120
be true but I think it might be a way

2845
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:15,920
that life evolved on certain types of

2846
02:07:21,640 --> 02:07:19,370
planets but I always recall a very neat

2847
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:21,650
Star Trek The Next Generation episode I

2848
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:23,840
saw where there's this great secret in

2849
02:07:27,670 --> 02:07:25,970
the universe and the Klingons and the

2850
02:07:29,620 --> 02:07:27,680
humans and all the races were trying to

2851
02:07:31,960 --> 02:07:29,630
get in this planet with his knowledge

2852
02:07:34,120 --> 02:07:31,970
and when they got there the Klingons

2853
02:07:36,640 --> 02:07:34,130
were kind of kicked off to find out

2854
02:07:39,930 --> 02:07:36,650
they're related to humans but the secret

2855
02:07:42,610 --> 02:07:39,940
knowledge was that this race grew

2856
02:07:43,810 --> 02:07:42,620
evolved and got to travel stars and

2857
02:07:46,210 --> 02:07:43,820
really travel with stars there was

2858
02:07:48,430 --> 02:07:46,220
nobody there nobody anywhere they were

2859
02:07:51,190 --> 02:07:48,440
the first so they seeded all the planets

2860
02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:51,200
thus the relationship between all the

2861
02:07:54,820 --> 02:07:52,610
species and the reason they all look

2862
02:07:58,480 --> 02:07:54,830
alike I thought that was a pretty unique

2863
02:08:00,430 --> 02:07:58,490
idea but you know who knows alright so

2864
02:08:03,940 --> 02:08:00,440
but that would be almost our image of

2865
02:08:08,080 --> 02:08:03,950
God because he created us well he or

2866
02:08:09,940 --> 02:08:08,090
whatever if the legends of the Bible and

2867
02:08:14,020 --> 02:08:09,950
I don't want to take off any religious

2868
02:08:16,180 --> 02:08:14,030
people but if the Bible is a not very

2869
02:08:18,820 --> 02:08:16,190
advanced civilization trying to describe

2870
02:08:21,910 --> 02:08:18,830
a very advanced civilization visiting us

2871
02:08:24,580 --> 02:08:21,920
you can substitute angels and gods for

2872
02:08:26,859 --> 02:08:24,590
aliens and maybe different species

2873
02:08:31,000 --> 02:08:26,869
I'm not saying that's the case but

2874
02:08:33,910 --> 02:08:31,010
if it was the case then you know maybe

2875
02:08:36,669 --> 02:08:33,920
we've been guided in a way that we you

2876
02:08:39,070 --> 02:08:36,679
know genetically and it's just such a

2877
02:08:40,959 --> 02:08:39,080
deep you know we look at the science

2878
02:08:42,970 --> 02:08:40,969
there is a big gap between when our

2879
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:42,980
brain I think was twelve twelve hundred

2880
02:08:48,550 --> 02:08:45,440
CCS and went to 1800 CC that believed

2881
02:08:50,919 --> 02:08:48,560
that close but there is a genetic gap as

2882
02:08:52,720 --> 02:08:50,929
to why our brains grew and not through

2883
02:08:55,180 --> 02:08:52,730
evolution in a very short period of time

2884
02:08:57,910 --> 02:08:55,190
became you know we became much more

2885
02:09:00,100 --> 02:08:57,920
intelligent kind of you know as complet

2886
02:09:01,959 --> 02:09:00,110
say I think therefore I am where you

2887
02:09:04,510 --> 02:09:01,969
become really aware I heard one

2888
02:09:07,870 --> 02:09:04,520
scientist by the way try to explain that

2889
02:09:12,399 --> 02:09:07,880
you know what his explanation was no we

2890
02:09:15,339 --> 02:09:12,409
started eating meat the timeframe

2891
02:09:17,290 --> 02:09:15,349
involved not evolution I've seen that

2892
02:09:18,970 --> 02:09:17,300
part of the science where it says that

2893
02:09:21,010 --> 02:09:18,980
it could have been evolution there's

2894
02:09:22,689 --> 02:09:21,020
just a mystery and look at all the

2895
02:09:24,990 --> 02:09:22,699
species we're finding you know the

2896
02:09:29,140 --> 02:09:25,000
Hobbit species the the various

2897
02:09:30,640 --> 02:09:29,150
Neanderthals and the Denisovans which

2898
02:09:32,410 --> 02:09:30,650
seem you know we're very interesting

2899
02:09:35,530 --> 02:09:32,420
species that could be but what the

2900
02:09:36,729 --> 02:09:35,540
Bigfoot is a very powerful creature that

2901
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:36,739
they say it would be better than any

2902
02:09:40,000 --> 02:09:38,330
athlete we've ever had because they were

2903
02:09:43,120 --> 02:09:40,010
big and strong and had to survive but

2904
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:43,130
look at how many species it's like with

2905
02:09:48,189 --> 02:09:45,530
I'm fascinated that all dogs come from

2906
02:09:50,859 --> 02:09:48,199
the wolf that just is unbelievable that

2907
02:09:53,800 --> 02:09:50,869
every dog in the world is related to the

2908
02:09:57,100 --> 02:09:53,810
war I just think of my dog teddy bear

2909
02:09:58,660 --> 02:09:57,110
the white furry thing you're a wolf

2910
02:10:01,930 --> 02:09:58,670
teddy bear he's not here now

2911
02:10:03,939 --> 02:10:01,940
but that's where it is we gonna do this

2912
02:10:07,089 --> 02:10:03,949
break and then we're gonna talk about

2913
02:10:10,720 --> 02:10:07,099
dogs again it's a dog's life I like my

2914
02:10:14,229 --> 02:10:10,730
dog he's fun he's wacky well anyway we

2915
02:10:19,480 --> 02:10:14,239
have Tony and Don been gene mixing it up

2916
02:10:19,490 --> 02:10:26,859
[Music]

2917
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2918
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visit GP and live.com today hear that

2919
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2920
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2921
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ransacked the place and what they don't

2922
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2923
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2924
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2925
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go to fake tv.com and discover a device

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the Peres talk

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so is this really a dog's life well we

3019
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were talking before the break about the

3020
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humanoid figure which seems to be at

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least if you believe the UFO field it

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seems to be the most common type of

3023
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entity described by people who claim to

3024
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have seen entities two arms two legs one

3025
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head etc now dogs are another amazing

3026
02:15:18,799 --> 02:15:16,020
creature by the way there's nobody on

3027
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the planet anymore dog loving and dog

3028
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friendly than my wife and I we love dogs

3029
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now dogs are an amazing creature they

3030
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say a dog is the only creature that will

3031
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love you more than he loves himself and

3032
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if that's true oh boy but they came

3033
02:15:45,430 --> 02:15:40,650
initially their genetic markers state

3034
02:15:48,020 --> 02:15:45,440
they came from wolves now wolves are a

3035
02:15:51,879 --> 02:15:48,030
fascinating creature a social creature

3036
02:15:57,470 --> 02:15:51,889
and and not many people would try to

3037
02:16:00,560 --> 02:15:57,480
domesticate a wolf but dogs somehow were

3038
02:16:04,250 --> 02:16:00,570
domesticated now there was a scientist

3039
02:16:08,149 --> 02:16:04,260
in Canada and this was a scientific

3040
02:16:12,979 --> 02:16:08,159
article I read probably eight or ten

3041
02:16:15,979 --> 02:16:12,989
years ago they theorized that if you're

3042
02:16:18,529 --> 02:16:15,989
friendly enough to accept the idea that

3043
02:16:21,470 --> 02:16:18,539
human beings Homo sapiens sapiens may

3044
02:16:25,810 --> 02:16:21,480
have been genetically manipulated by

3045
02:16:29,839 --> 02:16:25,820
something that dogs were also

3046
02:16:33,070 --> 02:16:29,849
genetically manipulated from a wolf now

3047
02:16:36,500 --> 02:16:33,080
I always found that concept to be

3048
02:16:39,860 --> 02:16:36,510
absolutely fascinating take a look at

3049
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:39,870
how we human beings have manipulated

3050
02:16:48,160 --> 02:16:44,010
dogs I mean we have dogs like the

3051
02:16:51,440 --> 02:16:48,170
Newfoundland dog which can reach over

3052
02:16:54,080 --> 02:16:51,450
200 pounds and I'm just using the

3053
02:16:57,830 --> 02:16:54,090
physical characteristics all the way

3054
02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:57,840
down to a chihuahua that somebody like

3055
02:17:02,570 --> 02:16:58,800
Paris Hilton

3056
02:17:06,860 --> 02:17:02,580
and put in her purse okay now basically

3057
02:17:08,959 --> 02:17:06,870
it's exactly the same creature and the

3058
02:17:10,849 --> 02:17:08,969
one thing about dogs that we all know

3059
02:17:13,790 --> 02:17:10,859
they're loving they're loyal

3060
02:17:16,969 --> 02:17:13,800
it's everything we would want in a

3061
02:17:19,780 --> 02:17:16,979
creature that we keep with us and and

3062
02:17:23,990 --> 02:17:19,790
many many many people in fact keep dogs

3063
02:17:27,889 --> 02:17:24,000
but what do you think about the concept

3064
02:17:32,059 --> 02:17:27,899
that someone may have been beneficial

3065
02:17:35,240 --> 02:17:32,069
enough to create a companion for

3066
02:17:37,520 --> 02:17:35,250
humankind and it's something that most

3067
02:17:42,080 --> 02:17:37,530
of us would never even consider I think

3068
02:17:44,809 --> 02:17:42,090
that maybe wolves you know it's hard to

3069
02:17:47,209 --> 02:17:44,819
say how they started to become you know

3070
02:17:50,389 --> 02:17:47,219
one wolf could have just been lonely and

3071
02:17:51,709 --> 02:17:50,399
come near humans and got domesticated I

3072
02:17:53,959 --> 02:17:51,719
could see that happening if it needed

3073
02:17:56,299 --> 02:17:53,969
food or something but you know we have

3074
02:17:58,959 --> 02:17:56,309
two percent Neanderthal blood so we were

3075
02:18:01,520 --> 02:17:58,969
messing with Sasquatch a long time ago

3076
02:18:04,250 --> 02:18:01,530
it's this it could have just been there

3077
02:18:07,940 --> 02:18:04,260
for miski us you know you have to still

3078
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:07,950
explain the genetic splinter but it's

3079
02:18:13,400 --> 02:18:10,530
it's hard to say I mean there when when

3080
02:18:16,250 --> 02:18:13,410
they broke down the DNA sequence the DNA

3081
02:18:19,190 --> 02:18:16,260
and they said that 90% of it was junk

3082
02:18:21,559 --> 02:18:19,200
that just tells me that 90% of it we

3083
02:18:23,599 --> 02:18:21,569
haven't figured out yet and you who

3084
02:18:27,139 --> 02:18:23,609
knows what all those codes say because

3085
02:18:29,240 --> 02:18:27,149
DNA is like a computer program and once

3086
02:18:31,580 --> 02:18:29,250
we break out what we call junk now which

3087
02:18:34,459 --> 02:18:31,590
probably has some type of function maybe

3088
02:18:36,049 --> 02:18:34,469
we can track back to where these genetic

3089
02:18:40,280 --> 02:18:36,059
manipulations occurred or halliday

3090
02:18:43,400 --> 02:18:40,290
accord what do you think that docks in

3091
02:18:49,250 --> 02:18:43,410
fact could have been also genetically

3092
02:18:51,559 --> 02:18:49,260
manipulated about the science I've read

3093
02:18:53,750 --> 02:18:51,569
about you know where cats and dogs came

3094
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:53,760
from I know all cats came from the big

3095
02:19:00,770 --> 02:18:56,399
cats and those are excellent pets also

3096
02:19:03,559 --> 02:19:00,780
had both at the same time but the the

3097
02:19:06,650 --> 02:19:03,569
genetic history is beyond my paygrade

3098
02:19:08,089 --> 02:19:06,660
you know I guess if they break down the

3099
02:19:11,419 --> 02:19:08,099
genetics of wolves they can kind of

3100
02:19:13,009 --> 02:19:11,429
explain that and I know that breeders

3101
02:19:15,259 --> 02:19:13,019
definitely read

3102
02:19:19,729 --> 02:19:15,269
to be a certain way you know when dogs

3103
02:19:21,500 --> 02:19:19,739
were bred to hunt rats and you know swim

3104
02:19:23,540 --> 02:19:21,510
in the water the adaptation is

3105
02:19:25,849 --> 02:19:23,550
incredible when I was in Colorado once I

3106
02:19:27,950 --> 02:19:25,859
never forget this German Shepherd that

3107
02:19:29,929 --> 02:19:27,960
lived on the top of a mountain and it

3108
02:19:32,899 --> 02:19:29,939
looked like a bear it just had grown so

3109
02:19:35,689 --> 02:19:32,909
much hair and had hair all over its feet

3110
02:19:37,729 --> 02:19:35,699
that looked like it had shoes on but the

3111
02:19:39,679 --> 02:19:37,739
body had just adapted to the colder

3112
02:19:40,910 --> 02:19:39,689
weather and and made this thing grow a

3113
02:19:42,889 --> 02:19:40,920
lot more hair than you think

3114
02:19:44,769 --> 02:19:42,899
a German Shepherd will grow and it

3115
02:19:47,330 --> 02:19:44,779
didn't look like a German Shepherd so I

3116
02:19:50,389 --> 02:19:47,340
wouldn't underestimate the power of the

3117
02:19:53,120 --> 02:19:50,399
genes to to do that without some type of

3118
02:19:55,700 --> 02:19:53,130
interference especially in something

3119
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:55,710
like maybe it's easier for a dog than it

3120
02:20:00,290 --> 02:19:58,560
is for human species but you know it's

3121
02:20:01,849 --> 02:20:00,300
all speculation I think the only thing

3122
02:20:03,469 --> 02:20:01,859
we gonna do is look at the science right

3123
02:20:06,349 --> 02:20:03,479
now to see what's going on but when they

3124
02:20:08,120 --> 02:20:06,359
say this 90% of our DNA is junk that

3125
02:20:12,219 --> 02:20:08,130
just means they don't know what it does

3126
02:20:15,380 --> 02:20:12,229
yeah now for example our dog a Bichon

3127
02:20:19,099 --> 02:20:15,390
amongst his other characteristics he is

3128
02:20:19,840 --> 02:20:19,109
bred and not to smell like a dog if you

3129
02:20:23,330 --> 02:20:19,850
get my point

3130
02:20:27,769 --> 02:20:23,340
yeah I mean he has to be pretty dirty

3131
02:20:30,529 --> 02:20:27,779
before he smells like a dog so this is

3132
02:20:33,469 --> 02:20:30,539
something that my wife's bigger than a

3133
02:20:37,160 --> 02:20:33,479
second is he huh he's not much bigger

3134
02:20:40,040 --> 02:20:37,170
than a second well he's he weighs 21

3135
02:20:42,920 --> 02:20:40,050
pounds because he's an oversized Bichon

3136
02:20:45,859 --> 02:20:42,930
that's long legs a little tiny guy and

3137
02:20:49,309 --> 02:20:45,869
he's also the kind of scurries around in

3138
02:20:53,809 --> 02:20:49,319
a flash when he gets excited he has this

3139
02:20:56,149 --> 02:20:53,819
habit as funny to see it and he just has

3140
02:20:57,500 --> 02:20:56,159
to be in the right mood but he's really

3141
02:21:00,139 --> 02:20:57,510
fascinating the other thing of course is

3142
02:21:06,260 --> 02:21:00,149
to show affection he'll rub his back

3143
02:21:09,740 --> 02:21:06,270
against my leg or to apologize when he

3144
02:21:12,050 --> 02:21:09,750
does something they shouldn't do we

3145
02:21:14,059 --> 02:21:12,060
should maybe maybe why should create a

3146
02:21:17,630 --> 02:21:14,069
video I work with Chris or somewhat of

3147
02:21:20,779 --> 02:21:17,640
teddy bear in action and stick it up on

3148
02:21:23,090 --> 02:21:20,789
the power cast plus I've got a Sheltie

3149
02:21:26,150 --> 02:21:23,100
dog and a cocker spaniel

3150
02:21:28,460 --> 02:21:26,160
and that Sheltie should be

3151
02:21:31,640 --> 02:21:28,470
apologizing all the time but he doesn't

3152
02:21:37,160 --> 02:21:31,650
so I guess he has he has my wife and I

3153
02:21:41,270 --> 02:21:37,170
figured out they really do humans can

3154
02:21:43,790 --> 02:21:41,280
learn a lot from our animal friends if

3155
02:21:46,910 --> 02:21:43,800
you pay attention to them and you know

3156
02:21:48,920 --> 02:21:46,920
with teddy bear you'll say something to

3157
02:21:53,080 --> 02:21:48,930
him they can't possibly understand and

3158
02:21:55,520 --> 02:21:53,090
he his ear yeah and looks at you

3159
02:21:58,870 --> 02:21:55,530
so you know there's something going on

3160
02:22:01,370 --> 02:21:58,880
in that brain that we can't understand

3161
02:22:05,330 --> 02:22:01,380
but he's got you pegged he knows exactly

3162
02:22:07,820 --> 02:22:05,340
what's going on if my wife gets mad at

3163
02:22:10,430 --> 02:22:07,830
me he doesn't want to see it he doesn't

3164
02:22:15,830 --> 02:22:10,440
like any arguing so he'll stick his head

3165
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:15,840
under the bed see he has a right to

3166
02:22:25,250 --> 02:22:18,000
argue with you and bark at you but

3167
02:22:26,600 --> 02:22:25,260
nobody else so their short story but my

3168
02:22:28,670 --> 02:22:26,610
god and I bonded it lived to be

3169
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:28,680
twenty-two but I'm sitting on my couch

3170
02:22:35,330 --> 02:22:32,250
and I lived by myself and my cat kept

3171
02:22:36,980 --> 02:22:35,340
looking at the front door and I didn't

3172
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:36,990
hear a thing so I went and looked

3173
02:22:41,261 --> 02:22:38,250
through the people and there was a guy

3174
02:22:43,761 --> 02:22:41,271
trying to open my door so I went back a

3175
02:22:45,620 --> 02:22:43,771
concealed carry permit and I pulled out

3176
02:22:47,960 --> 02:22:45,630
my 45 and I put it up against the door

3177
02:22:50,270 --> 02:22:47,970
and I chambered around and the guy's got

3178
02:22:52,940 --> 02:22:50,280
eyes got real big and ran up the steps

3179
02:22:55,490 --> 02:22:52,950
and I never saw him again but my kind

3180
02:22:57,440 --> 02:22:55,500
alerted me to a possibly you know before

3181
02:23:00,051 --> 02:22:57,450
bad situation occurred and there's so

3182
02:23:02,120 --> 02:23:00,061
many stories about animals doing that

3183
02:23:05,240 --> 02:23:02,130
rescuing families the pig that laid down

3184
02:23:07,820 --> 02:23:05,250
and the code when they when he couldn't

3185
02:23:08,330 --> 02:23:07,830
get the owner up and the house was on

3186
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:08,340
fire

3187
02:23:12,051 --> 02:23:10,170
and there was a cat that found a gas

3188
02:23:13,700 --> 02:23:12,061
leak that brought the firemen to the gas

3189
02:23:16,040 --> 02:23:13,710
leak I mean it's amazing what some of

3190
02:23:17,841 --> 02:23:16,050
these creatures seem to do that have

3191
02:23:22,460 --> 02:23:17,851
more compassion than some of the people

3192
02:23:24,020 --> 02:23:22,470
on this planet well that's certainly

3193
02:23:25,700 --> 02:23:24,030
something to know about there we could

3194
02:23:29,210 --> 02:23:25,710
learn so many things from our animal

3195
02:23:31,730 --> 02:23:29,220
friends I agree with that and I think

3196
02:23:33,470 --> 02:23:31,740
any now I have relatives my

3197
02:23:36,381 --> 02:23:33,480
sister-in-law for example does not like

3198
02:23:39,740 --> 02:23:36,391
dogs mostly because her son is

3199
02:23:40,460 --> 02:23:39,750
handicapped and he's afraid and that

3200
02:23:43,130 --> 02:23:40,470
makes it difficult

3201
02:23:45,199 --> 02:23:43,140
on the other hand I kind of think that

3202
02:23:48,170 --> 02:23:45,209
if he got used to dogs he probably

3203
02:23:50,239 --> 02:23:48,180
advanced a great deal because there's so

3204
02:23:52,550 --> 02:23:50,249
much we can learn from that anyway why

3205
02:23:56,330 --> 02:23:52,560
we were talking to this subject maybe

3206
02:23:58,429 --> 02:23:56,340
dogs are from outer space they're sent

3207
02:23:59,210 --> 02:23:58,439
here to watch over us but we don't

3208
02:24:01,189 --> 02:23:59,220
listen to them

3209
02:24:04,219 --> 02:24:01,199
that's a stupid theory I just invented

3210
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:04,229
it it would be a nice theory though the

3211
02:24:10,069 --> 02:24:08,010
dogs from outer space well it's as good

3212
02:24:12,019 --> 02:24:10,079
as any other theory right now I guess

3213
02:24:15,170 --> 02:24:12,029
yeah we got more to come one more

3214
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3268
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3269
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3270
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understand why America's in the

3271
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3274
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was then you go into Iraq which was

3275
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3276
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3298
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3299
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3300
02:29:06,639 --> 02:29:03,610
benoit's Tony ng Ola gene Steinberg Don

3301
02:29:08,349 --> 02:29:06,649
Ecker is our guest co-host having an

3302
02:29:10,929 --> 02:29:08,359
interesting time here just talking about

3303
02:29:13,510 --> 02:29:10,939
lots of good stuff you know lots of

3304
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:13,520
interesting fascinating stuff that we're

3305
02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:15,770
going on about here and you know of

3306
02:29:19,840 --> 02:29:18,170
course these gentlemen are traditional I

3307
02:29:22,300 --> 02:29:19,850
guess I'll call you both of you

3308
02:29:28,059 --> 02:29:22,310
traditional UFO researchers is that kind

3309
02:29:30,700 --> 02:29:28,069
of the right thing to say well you know

3310
02:29:34,809 --> 02:29:30,710
the emphasis on ET what we don't want to

3311
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:34,819
do is speculate without evidence I mean

3312
02:29:39,070 --> 02:29:36,170
you're gonna do that anyway off the

3313
02:29:41,229 --> 02:29:39,080
record but you know we see too often

3314
02:29:45,160 --> 02:29:41,239
you know people injecting their own

3315
02:29:46,689 --> 02:29:45,170
tailings injecting their own opinions a

3316
02:29:48,639 --> 02:29:46,699
little bit too strong without evidence

3317
02:29:50,439 --> 02:29:48,649
so we try not to do that yeah when you

3318
02:29:53,019 --> 02:29:50,449
start talking about hybrids reptilians

3319
02:29:55,540 --> 02:29:53,029
law you know it's just if you're moving

3320
02:29:57,700 --> 02:29:55,550
away from the science you have to really

3321
02:29:59,860 --> 02:29:57,710
get to the point where we are applying

3322
02:30:01,990 --> 02:29:59,870
science and you know if we capturing his

3323
02:30:05,200 --> 02:30:02,000
stuff with any of our devices you'd be

3324
02:30:07,750 --> 02:30:05,210
certainly unlike the Roswell slice the

3325
02:30:09,939 --> 02:30:07,760
asker we would want to present it to the

3326
02:30:11,410 --> 02:30:09,949
public in a way that you know we could

3327
02:30:14,560 --> 02:30:11,420
put the information out on the internet

3328
02:30:16,091 --> 02:30:14,570
and let anybody analyze the data there's

3329
02:30:17,980 --> 02:30:16,101
photographs were trying to get a hold of

3330
02:30:20,440 --> 02:30:17,990
that we would do the same thing for you

3331
02:30:23,230 --> 02:30:20,450
know let people have at it but I think

3332
02:30:24,461 --> 02:30:23,240
that if we just got back to the basics

3333
02:30:26,620 --> 02:30:24,471
if you followed you got back to the

3334
02:30:28,810 --> 02:30:26,630
basics in this field you have to focus

3335
02:30:30,400 --> 02:30:28,820
more on like we're trying to focus on

3336
02:30:32,080 --> 02:30:30,410
things that are flying in the water and

3337
02:30:35,291 --> 02:30:32,090
in the sky we don't want to focus on

3338
02:30:36,881 --> 02:30:35,301
abductions or implants or Bigfoot a

3339
02:30:39,251 --> 02:30:36,891
ghost although we did a ghost

3340
02:30:41,440 --> 02:30:39,261
investigation sometimes you know the

3341
02:30:43,900 --> 02:30:41,450
only the things that you know we think

3342
02:30:45,700 --> 02:30:43,910
we're good at because there's so much

3343
02:30:49,450 --> 02:30:45,710
disinformation out there there's so much

3344
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:49,460
CGI there's so much fake news the to the

3345
02:30:52,961 --> 02:30:51,290
Stars Academy they're trying to do the

3346
02:30:55,240 --> 02:30:52,971
right thing but I think they're being

3347
02:30:57,640 --> 02:30:55,250
led down the path of disinformation and

3348
02:30:59,051 --> 02:30:57,650
being fed some those videos that came

3349
02:31:00,761 --> 02:30:59,061
out you know the Pentagon denied

3350
02:31:02,350 --> 02:31:00,771
releasing them and they don't really

3351
02:31:05,080 --> 02:31:02,360
show much there's no data there they're

3352
02:31:06,881 --> 02:31:05,090
they're infrared and an infrared you get

3353
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:06,891
hot and cold and you don't get much

3354
02:31:12,850 --> 02:31:10,730
jealousy but yet yet in the 30 years

3355
02:31:16,631 --> 02:31:12,860
that I've been involved in this field

3356
02:31:19,270 --> 02:31:16,641
and I have dealt with individuals from

3357
02:31:21,341 --> 02:31:19,280
just about every aspect that you can

3358
02:31:25,270 --> 02:31:21,351
imagine would be affiliated with this

3359
02:31:29,410 --> 02:31:25,280
from the military to NASA and on and on

3360
02:31:31,120 --> 02:31:29,420
the bottom line is for 30 years elements

3361
02:31:34,680 --> 02:31:31,130
of the United States government have

3362
02:31:38,830 --> 02:31:34,690
gone out of their way to dismiss and

3363
02:31:40,660 --> 02:31:38,840
ridicule this subject yet last year

3364
02:31:43,421 --> 02:31:40,670
toward the end of the year for the first

3365
02:31:47,080 --> 02:31:43,431
time ever elements of the United States

3366
02:31:49,631 --> 02:31:47,090
government by a former senator of that

3367
02:31:54,091 --> 02:31:49,641
government Harry Reid came forward and

3368
02:31:56,890 --> 02:31:54,101
admitted that there were military

3369
02:31:59,730 --> 02:31:56,900
investigations conducted on this

3370
02:32:03,011 --> 02:31:59,740
primarily because of those videos that

3371
02:32:05,381 --> 02:32:03,021
DeLong and and the others in the to the

3372
02:32:08,251 --> 02:32:05,391
Stars Academy were instrumental in

3373
02:32:10,660 --> 02:32:08,261
getting released now when it comes to

3374
02:32:13,301 --> 02:32:10,670
disinformation you think in Lewis

3375
02:32:17,291 --> 02:32:13,311
Allison though the former government guy

3376
02:32:19,631 --> 02:32:17,301
is responsible one of the key things

3377
02:32:22,480 --> 02:32:19,641
that came out was Lewis said that the

3378
02:32:25,030 --> 02:32:22,490
investigative arm of the military still

3379
02:32:26,801 --> 02:32:25,040
ongoing and they said to determine it so

3380
02:32:27,560 --> 02:32:26,811
that was a blade by right there by the

3381
02:32:29,961 --> 02:32:27,570
government

3382
02:32:31,910 --> 02:32:29,971
now those videos were available one was

3383
02:32:34,131 --> 02:32:31,920
available I think in 2011 one was

3384
02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:34,141
available in 2014 so these are not new

3385
02:32:39,620 --> 02:32:36,570
videos there's much better videos out

3386
02:32:42,320 --> 02:32:39,630
there I'm just saying that if they could

3387
02:32:44,990 --> 02:32:42,330
be getting fed information that can be

3388
02:32:47,841 --> 02:32:45,000
proven to be nothing later on as the

3389
02:32:49,490 --> 02:32:47,851
kind of disinformation tactic if you

3390
02:32:52,280 --> 02:32:49,500
read their white paper is there's no

3391
02:32:54,830 --> 02:32:52,290
money earmarked for UFO investigation it

3392
02:32:57,261 --> 02:32:54,840
seems to be a money generating company

3393
02:32:58,580 --> 02:32:57,271
and you know maybe their hearts in the

3394
02:33:00,410 --> 02:32:58,590
right place and a few of the people

3395
02:33:04,220 --> 02:33:00,420
there are trying to unlock the secrets

3396
02:33:06,200 --> 02:33:04,230
but when I see money attached to ufology

3397
02:33:09,470 --> 02:33:06,210
because we're all for studying this

3398
02:33:11,240 --> 02:33:09,480
field I get a big red flag you know when

3399
02:33:12,860 --> 02:33:11,250
people are making big incomes and some

3400
02:33:14,390 --> 02:33:12,870
stock in a company that's not really

3401
02:33:16,551 --> 02:33:14,400
going to investigate UFOs but they

3402
02:33:18,860 --> 02:33:16,561
purport to do that I've got a problem

3403
02:33:20,990 --> 02:33:18,870
with that and these videos or old videos

3404
02:33:22,700 --> 02:33:21,000
they're not that new and they've been

3405
02:33:24,320 --> 02:33:22,710
out in the public for a while and the

3406
02:33:26,751 --> 02:33:24,330
Pentagon came out and said you cannot

3407
02:33:29,150 --> 02:33:26,761
release those videos and one of them

3408
02:33:31,131 --> 02:33:29,160
when I started to look into it was I

3409
02:33:34,820 --> 02:33:31,141
think a Lizardo had released it through

3410
02:33:37,910 --> 02:33:34,830
a deform back channel that who knows

3411
02:33:39,711 --> 02:33:37,920
where they came from they were good the

3412
02:33:41,330 --> 02:33:39,721
point that they got it out the public is

3413
02:33:43,910 --> 02:33:41,340
great but I was just rereading how it

3414
02:33:45,890 --> 02:33:43,920
bloomed out there and in 1987 he

3415
02:33:48,140 --> 02:33:45,900
discovered you up a working group at the

3416
02:33:50,390 --> 02:33:48,150
Pentagon so we've been down this road

3417
02:33:51,560 --> 02:33:50,400
before it's not something new you know

3418
02:33:53,330 --> 02:33:51,570
if you look at some of the old footage

3419
02:33:55,220 --> 02:33:53,340
from the military in the 40s it was

3420
02:33:57,440 --> 02:33:55,230
either Eisenhower Truman my greatest

3421
02:33:59,180 --> 02:33:57,450
presidents but when asked about UFOs he

3422
02:34:01,370 --> 02:33:59,190
said oh that's the first thing we talked

3423
02:34:03,740 --> 02:34:01,380
about is every meeting that we have the

3424
02:34:06,620 --> 02:34:03,750
executive branch I mean this stuff has

3425
02:34:08,541 --> 02:34:06,630
been going on and I agree with you Dodd

3426
02:34:10,761 --> 02:34:08,551
that the government is clamped down on

3427
02:34:12,230 --> 02:34:10,771
it I think it's classified above

3428
02:34:14,900 --> 02:34:12,240
top-secret I think they know a lot of

3429
02:34:18,921 --> 02:34:14,910
things but I think it's you know it is

3430
02:34:20,660 --> 02:34:18,931
in a way you know if you dig too deep on

3431
02:34:23,421 --> 02:34:20,670
this thing you can hit a hard brick wall

3432
02:34:25,400 --> 02:34:23,431
it could be dangerous in some aspects if

3433
02:34:29,600 --> 02:34:25,410
there's disinformation involved though

3434
02:34:32,270 --> 02:34:29,610
to what purpose to discredit the whole

3435
02:34:34,100 --> 02:34:32,280
release from those guys discredit the

3436
02:34:35,961 --> 02:34:34,110
Pentagon study they can come back later

3437
02:34:38,001 --> 02:34:35,971
and go that was a video of a blown

3438
02:34:39,830 --> 02:34:38,011
before you know the thing that killed me

3439
02:34:41,520 --> 02:34:39,840
was they when they came out with the two

3440
02:34:43,140 --> 02:34:41,530
videos they had the wrong

3441
02:34:44,490 --> 02:34:43,150
they have one audio while showing a

3442
02:34:47,041 --> 02:34:44,500
video that was not attached to that

3443
02:34:48,360 --> 02:34:47,051
video that told me that somebody didn't

3444
02:34:49,860 --> 02:34:48,370
do their homework correctly when they

3445
02:34:51,060 --> 02:34:49,870
release the videos when the artist

3446
02:34:53,400 --> 02:34:51,070
didn't match up to what we were seeing

3447
02:34:55,950 --> 02:34:53,410
on the film and the second thing is that

3448
02:34:57,990 --> 02:34:55,960
they aren't that great I mean you have

3449
02:34:59,970 --> 02:34:58,000
the pilots going gee whiz oh my god but

3450
02:35:01,890 --> 02:34:59,980
they probably say that a lot I mean I've

3451
02:35:04,080 --> 02:35:01,900
seen a video of them flying by what

3452
02:35:05,761 --> 02:35:04,090
looked like a rock in the air and as the

3453
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pilots are talking each other he goes

3454
02:35:08,881 --> 02:35:07,360
look what it was that he goes it looks

3455
02:35:11,520 --> 02:35:08,891
like a rock and it's not moving that's

3456
02:35:14,370 --> 02:35:11,530
10,000 feet that's much more fascinating

3457
02:35:17,100 --> 02:35:14,380
to me than these videos that were really

3458
02:35:18,751 --> 02:35:17,110
this interesting here because both da

3459
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and I were gonna say the same thing at

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02:35:23,070 --> 02:35:20,710
the same time something about being

3461
02:35:25,320 --> 02:35:23,080
between a rock and a hard place how can

3462
02:35:27,890 --> 02:35:25,330
that happen without synchronicity I

3463
02:35:32,190 --> 02:35:27,900
don't know but but I'll tell you what

3464
02:35:35,850 --> 02:35:32,200
love him or hate him Harry Reid was a

3465
02:35:39,270 --> 02:35:35,860
force in the US Congress and you're

3466
02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:39,280
right guys follow the money what I found

3467
02:35:45,120 --> 02:35:42,730
fascinating was all the usual suspects

3468
02:35:48,631 --> 02:35:45,130
once again popped up Robert Bigelow

3469
02:35:52,140 --> 02:35:48,641
Bigelow Aerospace was involved in this

3470
02:35:54,120 --> 02:35:52,150
investigation now it's no secret for

3471
02:35:56,850 --> 02:35:54,130
anybody that's been following along and

3472
02:36:00,211 --> 02:35:56,860
checking the headlines that Bigelow has

3473
02:36:03,390 --> 02:36:00,221
had an inordinate interest in the UFO

3474
02:36:06,570 --> 02:36:03,400
topic for ever today how many people are

3475
02:36:09,301 --> 02:36:06,580
aware was Bob Bigelow that originally

3476
02:36:11,580 --> 02:36:09,311
financed Ardell when art bell left

3477
02:36:14,220 --> 02:36:11,590
satellite radio and political talk to

3478
02:36:16,440 --> 02:36:14,230
begin coast-to-coast he's always had an

3479
02:36:18,421 --> 02:36:16,450
interest in it he's trying to find out

3480
02:36:22,020 --> 02:36:18,431
what in the heck is behind the curtain

3481
02:36:26,301 --> 02:36:22,030
and here is Harry Reid talking publicly

3482
02:36:30,120 --> 02:36:26,311
about being instrumental in financing a

3483
02:36:32,791 --> 02:36:30,130
UFO investigative effort I wonder just

3484
02:36:34,890 --> 02:36:32,801
how much money Bigelow donated to Harry

3485
02:36:37,110 --> 02:36:34,900
Reid and I know that information is

3486
02:36:39,570 --> 02:36:37,120
publicly available all the usual

3487
02:36:41,700 --> 02:36:39,580
suspects follow the money trail where

3488
02:36:44,461 --> 02:36:41,710
was Mark felt when we needed him but

3489
02:36:46,350 --> 02:36:44,471
he's dead that's deep probe anyway we're

3490
02:36:48,060 --> 02:36:46,360
just about half time Ben Moss tell our

3491
02:36:49,860 --> 02:36:48,070
listeners if they wanna know more about

3492
02:36:51,930 --> 02:36:49,870
what you and Tony do and you can

3493
02:36:54,100 --> 02:36:51,940
announce it separately where do they

3494
02:36:59,011 --> 02:36:54,110
check you out well we're

3495
02:37:01,900 --> 02:36:59,021
website WWF on ba for virginia.com

3496
02:37:03,461 --> 02:37:01,910
we've been writing articles we talk

3497
02:37:06,131 --> 02:37:03,471
about our investigations we have

3498
02:37:08,711 --> 02:37:06,141
investigations on there you can always

3499
02:37:11,261 --> 02:37:08,721
see us on season 2 that the History

3500
02:37:13,780 --> 02:37:11,271
Channel's hangar 1 we're on a couple of

3501
02:37:14,860 --> 02:37:13,790
episodes of that and everyone lives up

3502
02:37:16,480 --> 02:37:14,870
in New Mexico and bones

3503
02:37:18,881 --> 02:37:16,490
oh yeah well be in Socorro in a couple

3504
02:37:21,100 --> 02:37:18,891
of weeks on the 23rd of April we're

3505
02:37:23,171 --> 02:37:21,110
doing some interviews there and we'll be

3506
02:37:25,480 --> 02:37:23,181
at ground zero for that and we're gonna

3507
02:37:26,950 --> 02:37:25,490
probably try to tie up the four years

3508
02:37:28,950 --> 02:37:26,960
we'd spend the best against Socorro and

3509
02:37:31,810 --> 02:37:28,960
do a put it together in a documentary

3510
02:37:34,961 --> 02:37:31,820
Donecker please tell our listeners where

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